[Go-essp-tech] GO-ESSP call Jan 10, 2012

Tue Jan 10 08:59:26 MST 2012

Hi Eric,
I'm awaiting further instructions to view the demo.
Did you send out the additional info you said you would?
Thx, Glenn

On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Eric Nienhouse <ejn at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> We plan to hold a GO-ESSP tech call tomorrow (Jan 10, 2012.)  Agenda
> follows:
>
> * Overview and demo of Gateway 2.0.
> * Near and mid term technology roadmap for CMIP5 operations (open
> discussion.)
>
> We'll be using ReadyTalk web sharing for the Gateway 2.0 demo.  There is
> a brief registration page to join in.  The link follows:
>
>  https://cc.readytalk.com/r/6icl9p8fqbey
>
> Please access the telco number for the audio portion:
>
> +01 (925) 424-8105 access code 305757#
>
> *Telco details:
> *16:00 BST, 17:00 CEST, 8:00 PDT, 9:00 MDT, 11:00 EDT.
>
> Apologies - the previous email subject noted the telco is in "2011".  It
> is, of course, scheduled for Jan 10, 2012.  Happy New Year :-)
>
> Best regards,
>
> -Eric
>
>
> Eric Nienhouse wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > We plan to hold a GO-ESSP tech call tomorrow.  Following is our
> > tentative agenda:
> >
> > * Overview and demo of Gateway 2.0.
> > * Near and mid term technology roadmap for CMIP5 operations (open
> > discussion.)
> >
> > We'll be using ReadyTalk web sharing for the Gateway 2.0 demo.  I'll
> > send a follow-up email with connection details.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > -Eric
> >
> > Eric Nienhouse wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Micheal,
> >>
> >> Thank you.  I agree discussing the future path of the running CMIP5
> >> archive and the ESGF efforts openly is extremely important as we all
> >> plan and work to meet the needs of our user community.  We should
> >> devote the time necessary to discuss this topic (or at least begin to)
> >> in our upcoming call on Jan 10th as you suggest.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> -Eric
> >>
> >> Michael Lautenschlager wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear Eric,
> >>>
> >>> I support your suggestion to postpone the gateway discussion to
> >>> January 10th. Then most of us should be back from vacation between
> >>> the years. But I suggest that we should plan for more than 30 minutes
> >>> discussion on this topic because I think we should discuss the short
> >>> term development for the running CMIP5 archive and should also start
> >>> discussion on the mid term development within ESGF. Both aspects are
> >>> important for us at DKRZ because we would like to contribute to ESGF,
> >>> share work between ESGF partners and avoid double work.
> >>>
> >>> Best wishes, Michael
> >>>
> >>> ---------------
> >>> Dr. Michael Lautenschlager
> >>> Head of DKRZ Department Data Management
> >>> Director World Data Center Climate
> >>>
> >>> German Climate Computing Centre (DKRZ)
> >>> ADDRESS: Bundesstrasse 45a, D-20146 Hamburg, Germany
> >>> PHONE:   +4940-460094-118
> >>> E-Mail:  lautenschlager at dkrz.de
> >>>
> >>> URL:    http://www.dkrz.de/
> >>>         http://www.wdc-climate.de/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Geschäftsführer: Prof. Dr. Thomas Ludwig
> >>> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Hamburg
> >>> Amtsgericht Hamburg HRB 39784
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Am 20.12.2011 16:44, schrieb Eric Nienhouse:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Dean, All,
> >>>>
> >>>> We'd like to offer a walk-through of the Gateway 2.0 once our GO-ESSP
> >>>> call schedule resumes after the new year.
> >>>>
> >>>> I propose Tuesday Jan 10th for this topic.
> >>>>
> >>>> We could likely fit this into 30 minutes and have time to address
> other
> >>>> topics if needed.
> >>>>
> >>>> How does that sound?
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> -Eric
> >>>>
> >>>> Williams, Dean N. wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Don,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We have something already in the works for this coming week. With the
> >>>>> holiday's coming in the EU and the US, perhaps it might not be best
> to
> >>>>> have this the first week in January. Looking forward to seeing it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>> Dean
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: Don Middleton<don at ucar.edu<mailto:don at ucar.edu>>
> >>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 07:54:57 -0800
> >>>>> To: "Taylor, Karl Taylor"<taylor13 at llnl.gov
> >>>>> <mailto:taylor13 at llnl.gov>>, Adams Jennifer<jma at cola.iges.org
> >>>>> <mailto:jma at cola.iges.org>>
> >>>>> Cc: "go-essp-tech at ucar.edu<mailto:go-essp-tech at ucar.edu>"
> >>>>> <go-essp-tech at ucar.edu<mailto:go-essp-tech at ucar.edu>>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Go-essp-tech] Status of Gateway 2.0
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Karl, thanks for following up on this. Jennifer, Eric spoke correctly
> >>>>> last week: at NCAR we are in the process of moving 2.0 into local
> >>>>> production as a priority next step. I think this will be a big
> >>>>> improvement for the scientific community, and I hope we can deploy it
> >>>>> more broadly for the same reason.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There was discussion at the end of last week on having a PI level
> >>>>> meeting but I haven't heard any more on that so far. It would helpful
> >>>>> to have some more open, community discussion of how we move forward;
> >>>>> across the federation there are a lot of investments, stakeholders,
> >>>>> and resource issues to consider. We would also like to offer a
> >>>>> walk-through of 2.0. There's not a lot of time left before the
> >>>>> holidays, but we do have next Tuesday's GO-ESSP slot. If you're
> >>>>> available and interested, please let us know, and Eric&  Nate will
> put
> >>>>> together a tour.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> cheers - don
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Dec 7, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Karl Taylor wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Dear Jennifer and Jean-Yves,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I apologize that there has been some confusion perpetrated
> concerning
> >>>>>> the planned paths for ESG improvement.  For CMIP5 we expect to clear
> >>>>>> this up by the end of next week when we will post a clear statement
> >>>>>> outlining our plans.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks again for providing feedback that will improve the system.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>> Karl
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 12/7/11 9:10 AM, Jennifer Adams wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you, Karl, for a very helpful straight answer. One thing I
> >>>>>>> don't understand: Eric Neinhouse's statement that 'getting Gateway
> >>>>>>> 2.0 in production at NCAR is a top priority' seems to be in direct
> >>>>>>> conflict with what you wrote. Will Gateway 2.0 be for non-CMIP5 ESG
> >>>>>>> datasets, or are NCAR and PCMDI taking different approaches?
> >>>>>>> --Jennifer
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Karl Taylor wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dear Jennifer,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thank you for your valuable input on how to improve the search and
> >>>>>>>> scripting capabilities of both the ESG Gateway 2.0 and the ESGF
> P2P
> >>>>>>>> system.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Before you spend too much time attempting to optimize your
> download
> >>>>>>>> of CMIP5 data, you should know that we are very unlikely to
> >>>>>>>> actually make Gateway 2.0 operational for CMIP5 model output.
> >>>>>>>> Instead we will move directly to P2P.  We believe that with
> >>>>>>>> currently available resources PCMDI and the ESG federation cannot
> >>>>>>>> support two new systems.  Instead we will keep our current
> >>>>>>>> operational system running and bring on line the P2P.  The testing
> >>>>>>>> phase of this should happen by the end of the month.  At some
> point
> >>>>>>>> the currently operational system will be turned off and the P2P
> >>>>>>>> will become operational.  Therefore, if as a CMIP5 user you plan
> to
> >>>>>>>> further explore the new systems, I suggest your time might be best
> >>>>>>>> spent focusing on P2P.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> P2P and Gateway 2.0 may have similar capabilities at this time,
> and
> >>>>>>>> both are substantially improved over previous versions of the
> >>>>>>>> Gateway, but we're convinced that P2P provides a more robust and
> >>>>>>>> flexible framework for adding future improvements.   By going
> >>>>>>>> directly to P2P, we'll also minimize the inconvenience for users
> >>>>>>>> already on the system.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Please let me know if you have any concerns about our plans.  We
> >>>>>>>> realize the current system continues to be more difficult to use
> >>>>>>>> than it should be,  so your feedback and suggestions are
> >>>>>>>> invaluable.   Our focus is on getting the improvements offered by
> >>>>>>>> P2P in place as soon as possible.  I will let you know if our
> >>>>>>>> planned path to a better ESGF delivery system for CMIP5 data
> >>>>>>>> changes.  Please feel free to write me directly at
> >>>>>>>> taylor13 at llnl.gov
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> best regards,
> >>>>>>>> Karl
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 12/7/11 6:14 AM, Jennifer Adams wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Dear Colleagues,
> >>>>>>>>> Here is more feedback on the prototype of Gateway 2.0. My current
> >>>>>>>>> use case is searching with a fixed experiment, realm, frequency,
> >>>>>>>>> and a selected subset of variables. I'm delighted that you can
> >>>>>>>>> select more than one variable and it will keep adding them to the
> >>>>>>>>> list of selected results. THANK YOU for listing the variables
> >>>>>>>>> alphabetically by short name ("Variable Name"); the listing by
> >>>>>>>>> long name ("CF Variable") is not useful to me, it is not
> >>>>>>>>> alphabetized, and some names are so long they wrap so it looks
> >>>>>>>>> like there are three variables called "Flux in the Atmosphere",
> >>>>>>>>> "Due to Natural", and "Sources". Oops, my bad, it's actually
> >>>>>>>>> "Surface Carbon Mass Flux into the Atmosphere Due to Natural
> >>>>>>>>> Sources". Heh. QED.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> When I'm done clicking on all my desired constraints, I get a URL
> >>>>>>>>> that looks like this :
> >>>>>>>>>
> http://search-esg.prototype.ucar.edu/search?Type=Dataset&Experiment=decadal1960&Frequency=mon&Realm=atmos&Variable+Name=clt&Variable+Name=prw
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> <
> http://search-esg.prototype.ucar.edu/search?Type=Dataset&Experiment=decadal1960&Frequency=mon&Realm=atmos&Variable+Name=clt&Variable+Name=prw
> >
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> That is great, because it means I can take a short cut from all
> >>>>>>>>> the mouse clicking by building a URL that will create my desired
> >>>>>>>>> collection.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I am happy with the search results, so I click on the "Download
> >>>>>>>>> Selected" button, and get a wget script called "script.wget".
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 1. It would be great if you could give the script a name that
> >>>>>>>>> reflects the search constraints used to build that script --
> >>>>>>>>> something like
> >>>>>>>>>      wget.cmip5.decadal1960.mon.atmos.clt+prw.sh
> >>>>>>>>> Every time I download a new wget script, I have to rename it to
> >>>>>>>>> something meaningful (such as the above) because the very next
> >>>>>>>>> search result will overwrite script.wget, or give me
> >>>>>>>>> "script(1).wget" instead, and I'll have no simple way to know
> what
> >>>>>>>>> data set that wget script is configured to bring back. Can you
> >>>>>>>>> PLEASE give the wget script a relevant name for me so I can skip
> >>>>>>>>> this time-consuming step?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way to use our favorite tool (wget) or curl to
> >>>>>>>>> download the wget script so I can bypass the Gateway 2.0 browser
> >>>>>>>>> interface altogether? My guess is the answer is no, because of
> the
> >>>>>>>>> elaborate login process with OpenID and username/password, but
> >>>>>>>>> it's worth asking…
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -----------
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> As an alternative, I have looked carefully at the wiki page (and
> >>>>>>>>> its embedded links) on automated generation of wget scripts,
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.esgf.org/wiki/ESGF_scripting. This is very promising,
> >>>>>>>>> and Luca assures me that the P2P service will be working in a
> >>>>>>>>> matter of weeks.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I think the syntax of the URL for the same search as my example
> >>>>>>>>> above would be:
> >>>>>>>>>
> http://esg-datanode.jpl.nasa.gov/esg-search/wget?experiment=decadal1960&realm=atmos&time_frequency=month&variable=clt,prw
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> <
> http://esg-datanode.jpl.nasa.gov/esg-search/wget?experiment=decadal1960&realm=atmos&time_frequency=month&variable=clt,prw
> >
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 1. Is the comma-delimited list of desired variables legitimate
> >>>>>>>>> syntax?
> >>>>>>>>> 2. Will it work the way the Gateway 2.0 does to deliver my subset
> >>>>>>>>> of variables?
> >>>>>>>>> 3. Will "http://esg-datanode.jpl.nasa.gov
> >>>>>>>>> <http://esg-datanode.jpl.nasa.gov/>" be the only location
> >>>>>>>>> providing this service?
> >>>>>>>>> 4. Will the delivered wget script use certificates and checksums?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Since this isn't fully operational at the moment, I can't say for
> >>>>>>>>> sure whether this will be the better route for reaching my goal
> of
> >>>>>>>>> acquiring CMIP5 data using only scripts and no browser.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Respectfully submitted,
> >>>>>>>>> Jennifer
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Jennifer M. Adams
> >>>>>>>>> IGES/COLA
> >>>>>>>>> 4041 Powder Mill Road, Suite 302
> >>>>>>>>> Calverton, MD 20705
> >>>>>>>>> jma at cola.iges.org<mailto:jma at cola.iges.org>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Jennifer M. Adams
> >>>>>>> IGES/COLA
> >>>>>>> 4041 Powder Mill Road, Suite 302
> >>>>>>> Calverton, MD 20705
> >>>>>>> jma at cola.iges.org<mailto:jma at cola.iges.org>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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