[Go-essp-tech] Minutes: 1/6/10 Output Variable Telecon

[Lowry, Roy K]

Hi Luca,

The vanilla XML document you mention is currently kept up to date by Alison at that URL.  I don't see any point in our mirroring it.  However, note that it doesn't (and will never) include any of the semantic mappings included in the documents I serve.

Cheers, Roy.

-----Original Message-----
From: Luca Cinquini [mailto:luca at ucar.edu] 
Sent: 06 January 2010 20:59
To: Lowry, Roy K
Cc: Bryan Lawrence; go-essp-tech at ucar.edu; Sylvia Murphy; Metafor List; curator at ucar.edu; Gerry Devine; Alison Pamment
Subject: Re: [Go-essp-tech] Minutes: 1/6/10 Output Variable Telecon

Hi Roy,
	those links would be ok, although it might be easier for us to  
transform the original XML document as it is found here:

http://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/documents/cf-standard-names/standard-name-table/current/cf-standard-name-table.xml/view

(is this the latest too?). Or maybe you can post the original XML at  
your web site too ?

FYI our cf.owl looks like this:

http://ontologies.ucar.edu/owl/cf.owl

thanks, Luca

On Jan 6, 2010, at 1:20 PM, Lowry, Roy K wrote:

> Hi Luca,
>
> The most up to date version of the Standard Names in SKOS may be  
> obtained at the URL:
>
> http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P071/current/
>
> This excludes deprecated Standard Names.  If you want the 'Full  
> Monty' with both current and deprecated terms then use:
>
> http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/P07/current/
>
> This URL will be maintained - whenever Alison let's me know of  
> agreed change it will be accessible through these URLs within 24  
> hours.
>
> Cheers, Roy.
> ________________________________________
> From: Luca Cinquini [luca at ucar.edu]
> Sent: 06 January 2010 19:39
> To: Bryan Lawrence
> Cc: go-essp-tech at ucar.edu; Sylvia Murphy; Metafor List; curator at ucar.edu 
> ; Gerry Devine; Lowry, Roy K; Alison Pamment
> Subject: Re: [Go-essp-tech] Minutes: 1/6/10 Output Variable Telecon
>
> Thanks Brian - maybe Roy can let us know when we can harvest the final
> version of CF for CMIP5, and what URL to fetch ?
> thanks, Luca
>
> On Jan 6, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Bryan Lawrence wrote:
>
>> Hi Luca
>>
>> As Alison updates CF, the updated lists go in XML to the bodc vocab
>> server, and I think he's got those in SKOS at some point. SKOS to
>> OWL has to be easier than most routes ...
>>
>> Cheers
>> Bryan
>>
>> On Wednesday 06 January 2010 16:09:55 Luca Cinquini wrote:
>>> Hi Sylvia,
>>>     one comment below:
>>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2010, at 8:47 AM, Sylvia Murphy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Gerry Devine and I had a call today to discuss what ESG needs to do
>>>> with respect to output variables in the ESG model metadata display.
>>>> Thanks Gerry for making it into the office with 12 inches of snow  
>>>> on
>>>> the ground and more on the way!  It was a useful conversation.   
>>>> Here
>>>> are some salient points:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> a) The METAFOR questionnaire will not be collecting output variable
>>>> information.
>>>>
>>>> b) Gerry had created a spreadsheet of variables requested by CMIP5.
>>>> The first column is the name, the second column is the mindmap
>>>> component this variable would most likely be associated with, and
>>>> the third column is the CF standard name if it exists.
>>>>
>>>> c) Allision, at BADC is working on getting CF standard names for  
>>>> all
>>>> the CMIP5 variables.  This is an ongoing process but is not
>>>> complete.
>>> This is great - ESG has its own list of CF variables as an owl file,
>>> but it is almost a year out of date, so we do need to convert the
>>> latest list from Allison into something we can ingest into the ESG
>>> triple stores, and this must be done ahead of the March release  
>>> date.
>>> thanks, Luca
>>>>
>>>> d) The spreadsheet is several months out of date.  It would take
>>>> Gerry 2 working days to bring the spreadsheet up to date with
>>>> respect to the mindmaps and CF variables.
>>>>
>>>> e) There are over 800 variables in the spreadsheet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> QUESTION:
>>>>
>>>> ** Since this information is not in the questionnaire, do we still
>>>> want to pursue trying to get it into the ESG display?  **
>>>>
>>>> The information is not actual output variables but requested
>>>> variables.  They may match  what the model is doing or they may
>>>> not.  The variables are also subjectively tied to a particular
>>>> component in the mindmaps, but could in reality be tied to another
>>>> component in the model.
>>>>
>>>> My personal opinion:  Since this information is not actually  
>>>> factual
>>>> for the model component it would be displayed with AND the factual
>>>> information will be available in ESGs dataset display,  this list  
>>>> of
>>>> requested CMIP5 variables has limited utility in the ESG model
>>>> metadata display.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Everyone please chime in.  Further discussions and actions will be
>>>> required if this needs to be pressed further.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia
>>>> ***********************************
>>>> Sylvia Murphy
>>>> sylvia.murphy at noaa.gov
>>>> 303-497-7753
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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