[Proflist] Re: Fwd: Draft Bachelor's Degree Statement

[Lupo, Anthony R.]

Mohan:

	Good morning. I would like to support enthusiastically Alan's
suggestion #1 below. At the University of Missouri we're trying to keep
a Research and Teaching program going with just 3 full time faculty and
it's been quite difficult to say the least. I would support any raise in
the recommended minimum for research institutions, even if it were just
to 4 or 5! 

	Recent grant successes in the past 2 months combined with our
persistent nagging of our dean has brought us (at last!) a promise that
we're next in line in our school to get a 4th faculty position. However,
we could solidify further our case with the dean if I could come to him
with the recommendations Alan has suggested and many have voiced support
for.
				
	Thanks!

			Regards,

				Tony

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Subject: [Proflist] Re: Fwd: Draft Bachelor's Degree Statement

Dear Mohan,

1.  As you know, I have already made the following suggestion:

I think we need to specify recommended numbers of faculty and not just 
the minimum.  This would be very valuable for all departments seeking to

hire more faculty.  In other disciplines, national accredidation panels 
specify the number of faculty needed, and AMS can do a similar service 
for us.  In the second paragraph from the bottom on page 4, I recommend 
the following change:

"At undergraduate colleges with full-time teaching faculty, there should

be a minimum of three faculty members, but the recommended level is five

or more.  At research universities, where faculty devote a substantial 
amount of time to graduate teaching and research as well as 
undergraduate teaching, there should be a minimum of six faculty 
members, but the recommended level is ten or more to be able to cover 
all the necessary disciplinary areas.  The faculty members should have 
the expertise ..."

----

2.  In addition, a resolution was passed quickly at the end of the Heads

and Chairs meeting in Boulder last week that recommended changes in the 
statement that would require 27 credits rather than 24 credits in the 
program.  I have not yet received a copy of it, but would like to 
recommend against it on a basic philosophical ground.

An undergraduate liberal arts education is the last chance a student 
will have to take courses in literature, fine arts, humanities, and 
social "science."  Students can specialize as graduate students or go on

learning about meteorology in their jobs, but I would not like to 
require that they take additional courses as part of their undergraduate

major.  This will allow them to take other elective courses in subjects 
that will broaden them as people and citizens, which I think is more 
valuable than one more meteorology or related course.

Thanks for considering my views.  I feel more strongly about the first 
one than the second one.

Alan

Professor Alan Robock
   Editor, JGR - Atmospheres
   Director, Center for Environmental Prediction
Department of Environmental Sciences              Phone: +1-732-932-9478
Rutgers University                                  Fax: +1-732-932-8644
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New Brunswick, NJ 08901-8551  USA      http://envsci.rutgers.edu/~robock


On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Brenda Ward wrote:

>
>> 
>> Dear Colleague,
>> 
>> On behalf of the Board on Higher Education of the American
Meteorological 
>> Society, I seek your comments on the revised draft statement on the 
>> Bachelor's Degree in Atmospheric Science.  The draft statement is
available 
>> at:
>> 
>>
http://my.unidata.ucar.edu/content/publications/Bachelors_degree_stateme
nt_2004.pdf
>> 
>> For your background, the current AMS statement on this subject is
available 
>> at:
>> 
>>
<http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/bachelor99.html>http://www.ametsoc.org/po
licy/bachelor99.html
>> 
>> Also, please share this draft statement with colleagues in your
department. 
>> Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions.  It
would 
>> be most helpful if you can send me (mohan at ucar.edu) your comments by
15 
>> November.
>> 
>> Thank you in anticipation,
>> 
>> Mohan Ramamurthy
>
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