[Met_help] [rt.rap.ucar.edu #64889] History for FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services (UNCLASSIFIED)
John Halley Gotway via RT
met_help at ucar.edu
Thu Jan 16 11:47:26 MST 2014
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We have received notice from AFWA in the email thread below that they do not
intend to host WRF sigma level data on the JMBL server. I responded below
with ARL users about how MET processes WRF variables/levels. Do you have any
answers to the question raised about whether this change will impact my
ability to use MET on AFWA WRF output?
Thanks.
R/
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Raby, John W CIV USARMY ARL (US)
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 2:01 PM
To: Dumais, Robert E Jr CIV (US); Reen, Brian P CIV USARMY ARL (US); Kirby,
Stephen F CIV (US); Zeng, Subing CIV (US); Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US);
Wang, Yansen CIV (US)
Cc: Knapp, David I CIV (US); Sauter, David P CIV (US); Foley, Theresa A CTR
(US)
Subject: RE: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services (UNCLASSIFIED)
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
Bob -
MET processes meteorological variables either as levels AGL such as "Z2" for
2m AGL (TMP, DPT, RH) and "Z10" for 10m AGL wind variables (WIND, UGRD and
VGRD) and as pressure level specified as P500 (500mb), P700 (700mb), or
ranges such as P910-1010 (910-1010mb) from the post-processed WRF output.
I'm not sure if the lack of sigma levels will impact the way MET processes
the WRF output, so if anyone want to chime in, please do. Let me know if you
need more info.
R/
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Dumais, Robert E Jr CIV (US)
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:59 PM
To: Reen, Brian P CIV USARMY ARL (US); Raby, John W CIV USARMY ARL (US);
Kirby, Stephen F CIV (US); Zeng, Subing CIV (US); Passner, Jeffrey E CIV
(US); Wang, Yansen CIV (US)
Cc: Knapp, David I CIV (US); Sauter, David P CIV (US)
Subject: FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services (UNCLASSIFIED)
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
All,
In terms of running the WRE-N, which is essentially running a higher
resolution version of the WRF model of course, I do not necessarily see a
significant impact from AFWA's decision (read below) to move away from
supporting their WRF sigma-level data on the WDA server for JMBL access. If
we wish to run our WRE-N version of WRF from an AFWA WRF external model run
for ICs qand LBCs, we can simply use the pressure-level datasets via JMBL
and I think be fine. However, it is not clear to me that others here would
not be more impacted in their work if sigma-levels were no longer accessible
via JMBL/WDA. Please give this some thought and reply if you view this
change as potentially a significant impact for you.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: WISE, ERIC P GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A6W [mailto:eric.wise at us.af.mil]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:43 PM
To: Knapp, David I CIV (US); Smith, Kenneth F CIV (US)
Cc: Sauter, David P CIV (US); Johnson, Jeffrey O CIV (US); Dumais, Robert E
Jr CIV (US); Kirby, Stephen F CIV (US); O'Brien, Sean G CIV (US)
Subject: RE: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services (UNCLASSIFIED)
Dave,
If it helps, the organizational ID which is making JMBL requests for sigma
level data is associated with an acronym "ARL R&D". We also see DCGS-A on
subscription to sigma level WRF data, but under a different organizational
ID.
Eric
/// SIGNED ///
ERIC P. WISE, GS-13, DAF
Data Administrator
Air Force Weather Agency
(402) 232-6815 / DSN 272-6815
eric.wise at us.af.mil
-----Original Message-----
From: Knapp, David I CIV (US) [mailto:david.i.knapp.civ at mail.mil]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:21 PM
To: SMITH, KENNETH F GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O
Cc: WISE, ERIC P GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A6W; Sauter, David P CIV (US);
Johnson, Jeffrey O CIV (US); Dumais, Robert E Jr CIV (US); Kirby, Stephen F
CIV (US); O'Brien, Sean G CIV (US)
Subject: RE: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services (UNCLASSIFIED)
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
Ken,
Jim Brandt retired last fall. I have Cc'd some others here who can chime in
regarding our need for Sigma data. I'll coordinate with them and we'll get
back with you on this later this week, if that's OK.
Dave/Jeff/Bob/Steve,
Please coordinate amongst yourselves and let me know if we still need this
Sigma data feed from AFWA which was previously monitored by Jim Brandt. I
can follow-up with Ken Smith when you provide me our response.
Thanks.
-Dave
************************
David Knapp
Chief, Atmospheric Modeling Branch
ARL/CISD
RDRL-CIE-M, Bldg 1622, Rm 112A
White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002-5501
Phone: (575) 678-4574
Fax: (575) 678-1230
DSN: 258-XXXX
Email: david.i.knapp.civ at mail.mil
************************
-----Original Message-----
From: SMITH, KENNETH F GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O
[mailto:kenneth.smith.60 at us.af.mil]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 9:29 AM
To: Knapp, David I CIV (US)
Cc: Wise, Eric P CIV (US)
Subject: FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
Dave, I got a bounce-back from jim.brandt at us.army.mil. I think he works at
ARL Whitesands...or used to? Just trying to find out if ARL requires Sigma
data, because we want to remove Sigma data from our distro servers.
v/r
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: SMITH, KENNETH F GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 9:47 AM
To: 'd.wheat at tnt-inc.net'; 'Steve.renner at dtra.mil';
'Douglas.Holland at jhuapl.edu'; 'gbieber at ucar.edu'; 'jim.brandt at us.army.mil';
'todd.patstone at tybrin.com'; 'cborden at aer.com'
Cc: WISE, ERIC P GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A6W; TELFEYAN, R B GS-13 USAF AFWA
AFWA/A3O; KUCHERA, EVAN L GS-12 USAF AFWA 16 WS/WXN
Subject: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
Gentlemen,
We will be making some changes in our sigma level configuration for
WRF. Longer term, we do not plan on hosting Sigma data on our WDA server,
for JMBL access.
Our records indicate you have pulled in Sigma files from AFWA.
Please let me know which Sigma data you require, and we can look for
non-Sigma options. We won't turn off Sigma data overnight, but that's our
plan for the future. If you aren't the right person to ask, please forward
to someone that would know how your applications are leveraging our sigma
data.
If you're not sure which parameters are on Sigma levels, please
check your JMBL request. It will have an element called MasterLayerName
with a value of either "SIGL" or "SIGY". SIGL is a single sigma level and
SIGY is a layer between two sigma levels. That piece of the JMBL request
will look something like this ("urn" is a reference defined by the user, so
would likely be different):
"... <urn:MasterLayerName>SIGL</urn:MasterLayerName> ..."
Again, our longer-term goal is to move away from hosting our Sigma
data on WDA. It's quite possible you won't be impacted, if we do remove
Sigma from WDA.
v/r
Ken Smith
Ken Smith, DAF
Senior Operations Manager (HQ AFWA/A3O)
101 Nelson Drive, Offutt Air Force Base, NE 68113-1023
VOICE DSN 271-1632; Comm (402) 294-1632
UNCLAS: Kenneth.Smith.60 at us.af.mil
SIPR: Kenneth.Smith at offutt.af.smil.mil
-----Original Message-----
From: WISE, ERIC P GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A6W
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:41 PM
To: SMITH, KENNETH F GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O; KUCHERA, EVAN L GS-12 USAF
AFWA 16 WS/WXN; TELFEYAN, R B GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O
Cc: RUGG, STEVEN A GS-13 USAF AFWA 16 WS/WXN
Subject: RE: WRF model vertical level requirements
As promised, attached, please find the list of users who used JMBL to access
WRF sigma level data during the 132 non-contiguous hours captured in JAC.
The requests in JAC are from 21-22 Oct, 14-18 Nov, 4-5 Dec and 31 Dec. As
snapshots, it's not guaranteed to capture all users, but since the requests
were scattered over a number of different days, it might be a reasonable
capture. The email addresses are the contact email for the organization, so
that person may not be fully aware of who in their organization actually
made the request, but that's as good as I can get from the database.
Let me know if anything else is needed. Thanks,
Eric
/// SIGNED ///
ERIC P. WISE, GS-13, DAF
Data Administrator
Air Force Weather Agency
(402) 232-6815 / DSN 272-6815
eric.wise at us.af.mil
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Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #64889] FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: John Halley Gotway
Time: Tue Jan 14 16:45:01 2014
Hello John,
Looking through the email thread, it is not clear to me whether we are
talking about the raw NetCDF wrfout files or post-processed GRIB
output files. If we're talking about GRIB files, then no, I
don't think removing the sigma level data would have any impact on
your processing. Verification is done using model output on pressure
levels, not sigma levels.
However, if you're talking about raw NetCDF wrfout files, and you are
running the Unified Post-Processor (UPP) yourself to generate GRIB
output, then yes, I think that would have an impact. I believe
that UPP reads the model output on it's native levels and interpolates
to pressure levels. If the native level data is no longer available,
UPP wouldn't be able to generate much post-processed output.
I suspect you're talking about GRIB files, in which case removing
sigma level data should have no impact on you.
Hope that helps.
Thanks,
John Halley Gotway
met_help at ucar.edu
On 01/13/2014 02:24 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>
> Mon Jan 13 14:24:11 2014: Request 64889 was acted upon.
> Transaction: Ticket created by john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
> Queue: met_help
> Subject: FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
(UNCLASSIFIED)
> Owner: Nobody
> Requestors: john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
> Status: new
> Ticket <URL:
https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=64889 >
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> We have received notice from AFWA in the email thread below that
they do not
> intend to host WRF sigma level data on the JMBL server. I responded
below
> with ARL users about how MET processes WRF variables/levels. Do you
have any
> answers to the question raised about whether this change will impact
my
> ability to use MET on AFWA WRF output?
>
> Thanks.
>
> R/
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raby, John W CIV USARMY ARL (US)
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 2:01 PM
> To: Dumais, Robert E Jr CIV (US); Reen, Brian P CIV USARMY ARL (US);
Kirby,
> Stephen F CIV (US); Zeng, Subing CIV (US); Passner, Jeffrey E CIV
(US);
> Wang, Yansen CIV (US)
> Cc: Knapp, David I CIV (US); Sauter, David P CIV (US); Foley,
Theresa A CTR
> (US)
> Subject: RE: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
(UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> Bob -
>
> MET processes meteorological variables either as levels AGL such as
"Z2" for
> 2m AGL (TMP, DPT, RH) and "Z10" for 10m AGL wind variables (WIND,
UGRD and
> VGRD) and as pressure level specified as P500 (500mb), P700 (700mb),
or
> ranges such as P910-1010 (910-1010mb) from the post-processed WRF
output.
> I'm not sure if the lack of sigma levels will impact the way MET
processes
> the WRF output, so if anyone want to chime in, please do. Let me
know if you
> need more info.
>
> R/
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dumais, Robert E Jr CIV (US)
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:59 PM
> To: Reen, Brian P CIV USARMY ARL (US); Raby, John W CIV USARMY ARL
(US);
> Kirby, Stephen F CIV (US); Zeng, Subing CIV (US); Passner, Jeffrey E
CIV
> (US); Wang, Yansen CIV (US)
> Cc: Knapp, David I CIV (US); Sauter, David P CIV (US)
> Subject: FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
(UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
> All,
>
>
> In terms of running the WRE-N, which is essentially running a
higher
> resolution version of the WRF model of course, I do not necessarily
see a
> significant impact from AFWA's decision (read below) to move away
from
> supporting their WRF sigma-level data on the WDA server for JMBL
access. If
> we wish to run our WRE-N version of WRF from an AFWA WRF external
model run
> for ICs qand LBCs, we can simply use the pressure-level datasets via
JMBL
> and I think be fine. However, it is not clear to me that others here
would
> not be more impacted in their work if sigma-levels were no longer
accessible
> via JMBL/WDA. Please give this some thought and reply if you view
this
> change as potentially a significant impact for you.
>
>
>
> Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WISE, ERIC P GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A6W
[mailto:eric.wise at us.af.mil]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:43 PM
> To: Knapp, David I CIV (US); Smith, Kenneth F CIV (US)
> Cc: Sauter, David P CIV (US); Johnson, Jeffrey O CIV (US); Dumais,
Robert E
> Jr CIV (US); Kirby, Stephen F CIV (US); O'Brien, Sean G CIV (US)
> Subject: RE: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
(UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> Dave,
>
> If it helps, the organizational ID which is making JMBL requests for
sigma
> level data is associated with an acronym "ARL R&D". We also see
DCGS-A on
> subscription to sigma level WRF data, but under a different
organizational
> ID.
>
> Eric
>
> /// SIGNED ///
> ERIC P. WISE, GS-13, DAF
> Data Administrator
> Air Force Weather Agency
> (402) 232-6815 / DSN 272-6815
> eric.wise at us.af.mil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Knapp, David I CIV (US) [mailto:david.i.knapp.civ at mail.mil]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:21 PM
> To: SMITH, KENNETH F GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O
> Cc: WISE, ERIC P GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A6W; Sauter, David P CIV (US);
> Johnson, Jeffrey O CIV (US); Dumais, Robert E Jr CIV (US); Kirby,
Stephen F
> CIV (US); O'Brien, Sean G CIV (US)
> Subject: RE: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
(UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> Ken,
>
> Jim Brandt retired last fall. I have Cc'd some others here who can
chime in
> regarding our need for Sigma data. I'll coordinate with them and
we'll get
> back with you on this later this week, if that's OK.
>
>
> Dave/Jeff/Bob/Steve,
>
> Please coordinate amongst yourselves and let me know if we still
need this
> Sigma data feed from AFWA which was previously monitored by Jim
Brandt. I
> can follow-up with Ken Smith when you provide me our response.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Dave
>
> ************************
> David Knapp
> Chief, Atmospheric Modeling Branch
> ARL/CISD
> RDRL-CIE-M, Bldg 1622, Rm 112A
> White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002-5501
>
> Phone: (575) 678-4574
> Fax: (575) 678-1230
> DSN: 258-XXXX
> Email: david.i.knapp.civ at mail.mil
>
> ************************
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SMITH, KENNETH F GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O
> [mailto:kenneth.smith.60 at us.af.mil]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 9:29 AM
> To: Knapp, David I CIV (US)
> Cc: Wise, Eric P CIV (US)
> Subject: FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
>
> Dave, I got a bounce-back from jim.brandt at us.army.mil. I think he
works at
> ARL Whitesands...or used to? Just trying to find out if ARL
requires Sigma
> data, because we want to remove Sigma data from our distro servers.
>
> v/r
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SMITH, KENNETH F GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 9:47 AM
> To: 'd.wheat at tnt-inc.net'; 'Steve.renner at dtra.mil';
> 'Douglas.Holland at jhuapl.edu'; 'gbieber at ucar.edu';
'jim.brandt at us.army.mil';
> 'todd.patstone at tybrin.com'; 'cborden at aer.com'
> Cc: WISE, ERIC P GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A6W; TELFEYAN, R B GS-13 USAF
AFWA
> AFWA/A3O; KUCHERA, EVAN L GS-12 USAF AFWA 16 WS/WXN
> Subject: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> We will be making some changes in our sigma level configuration for
> WRF. Longer term, we do not plan on hosting Sigma data on our WDA
server,
> for JMBL access.
>
> Our records indicate you have pulled in Sigma files from AFWA.
> Please let me know which Sigma data you require, and we can look for
> non-Sigma options. We won't turn off Sigma data overnight, but
that's our
> plan for the future. If you aren't the right person to ask, please
forward
> to someone that would know how your applications are leveraging our
sigma
> data.
>
> If you're not sure which parameters are on Sigma levels, please
> check your JMBL request. It will have an element called
MasterLayerName
> with a value of either "SIGL" or "SIGY". SIGL is a single sigma
level and
> SIGY is a layer between two sigma levels. That piece of the JMBL
request
> will look something like this ("urn" is a reference defined by the
user, so
> would likely be different):
> "... <urn:MasterLayerName>SIGL</urn:MasterLayerName> ..."
>
> Again, our longer-term goal is to move away from hosting our Sigma
> data on WDA. It's quite possible you won't be impacted, if we do
remove
> Sigma from WDA.
>
> v/r
>
> Ken Smith
>
> Ken Smith, DAF
> Senior Operations Manager (HQ AFWA/A3O)
> 101 Nelson Drive, Offutt Air Force Base, NE 68113-1023
> VOICE DSN 271-1632; Comm (402) 294-1632
> UNCLAS: Kenneth.Smith.60 at us.af.mil
> SIPR: Kenneth.Smith at offutt.af.smil.mil
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WISE, ERIC P GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A6W
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:41 PM
> To: SMITH, KENNETH F GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O; KUCHERA, EVAN L GS-12
USAF
> AFWA 16 WS/WXN; TELFEYAN, R B GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O
> Cc: RUGG, STEVEN A GS-13 USAF AFWA 16 WS/WXN
> Subject: RE: WRF model vertical level requirements
>
> As promised, attached, please find the list of users who used JMBL
to access
> WRF sigma level data during the 132 non-contiguous hours captured in
JAC.
> The requests in JAC are from 21-22 Oct, 14-18 Nov, 4-5 Dec and 31
Dec. As
> snapshots, it's not guaranteed to capture all users, but since the
requests
> were scattered over a number of different days, it might be a
reasonable
> capture. The email addresses are the contact email for the
organization, so
> that person may not be fully aware of who in their organization
actually
> made the request, but that's as good as I can get from the database.
>
> Let me know if anything else is needed. Thanks,
>
> Eric
>
> /// SIGNED ///
> ERIC P. WISE, GS-13, DAF
> Data Administrator
> Air Force Weather Agency
> (402) 232-6815 / DSN 272-6815
> eric.wise at us.af.mil
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
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Subject: FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: Raby, John W USA CIV
Time: Wed Jan 15 08:12:17 2014
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
John -
Thanks for your quick assessment of this situation.
If I recall correctly, I believe we have received GRIB files from AFWA
in the
past and then I ran them directly into Point-Stat without post-
processing
them.
Bob Dumais - Ref the email below from John at MET Help, do you know if
the
files we receive from the AFWA JMBL/WDA are in NetCDF format (wrfout)
or in
GRIB format? On first analysis, this may make a difference between no
impact
or a significant impact if we want to process AFWA WRF runs with MET.
Thanks.
R/
John
-----Original Message-----
From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 4:45 PM
To: Raby, John W CIV USARMY ARL (US)
Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #64889] FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma
Levels and
JMBL Services (UNCLASSIFIED)
Hello John,
Looking through the email thread, it is not clear to me whether we are
talking
about the raw NetCDF wrfout files or post-processed GRIB output files.
If
we're talking about GRIB files, then no, I don't think removing the
sigma
level data would have any impact on your processing. Verification is
done
using model output on pressure levels, not sigma levels.
However, if you're talking about raw NetCDF wrfout files, and you are
running
the Unified Post-Processor (UPP) yourself to generate GRIB output,
then yes, I
think that would have an impact. I believe that UPP reads the model
output on
it's native levels and interpolates to pressure levels. If the native
level
data is no longer available, UPP wouldn't be able to generate much
post-processed output.
I suspect you're talking about GRIB files, in which case removing
sigma level
data should have no impact on you.
Hope that helps.
Thanks,
John Halley Gotway
met_help at ucar.edu
On 01/13/2014 02:24 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>
> Mon Jan 13 14:24:11 2014: Request 64889 was acted upon.
> Transaction: Ticket created by john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
> Queue: met_help
> Subject: FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
> (UNCLASSIFIED)
> Owner: Nobody
> Requestors: john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
> Status: new
> Ticket <URL:
https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=64889
> >
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> We have received notice from AFWA in the email thread below that
they
> do not intend to host WRF sigma level data on the JMBL server. I
> responded below with ARL users about how MET processes WRF
> variables/levels. Do you have any answers to the question raised
about
> whether this change will impact my ability to use MET on AFWA WRF
output?
>
> Thanks.
>
> R/
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raby, John W CIV USARMY ARL (US)
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 2:01 PM
> To: Dumais, Robert E Jr CIV (US); Reen, Brian P CIV USARMY ARL (US);
> Kirby, Stephen F CIV (US); Zeng, Subing CIV (US); Passner, Jeffrey E
> CIV (US); Wang, Yansen CIV (US)
> Cc: Knapp, David I CIV (US); Sauter, David P CIV (US); Foley,
Theresa
> A CTR
> (US)
> Subject: RE: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
> (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> Bob -
>
> MET processes meteorological variables either as levels AGL such as
> "Z2" for 2m AGL (TMP, DPT, RH) and "Z10" for 10m AGL wind variables
> (WIND, UGRD and
> VGRD) and as pressure level specified as P500 (500mb), P700 (700mb),
> or ranges such as P910-1010 (910-1010mb) from the post-processed WRF
output.
> I'm not sure if the lack of sigma levels will impact the way MET
> processes the WRF output, so if anyone want to chime in, please do.
> Let me know if you need more info.
>
> R/
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dumais, Robert E Jr CIV (US)
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:59 PM
> To: Reen, Brian P CIV USARMY ARL (US); Raby, John W CIV USARMY ARL
> (US); Kirby, Stephen F CIV (US); Zeng, Subing CIV (US); Passner,
> Jeffrey E CIV (US); Wang, Yansen CIV (US)
> Cc: Knapp, David I CIV (US); Sauter, David P CIV (US)
> Subject: FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
> (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
> All,
>
>
> In terms of running the WRE-N, which is essentially running a
> higher resolution version of the WRF model of course, I do not
> necessarily see a significant impact from AFWA's decision (read
below)
> to move away from supporting their WRF sigma-level data on the WDA
> server for JMBL access. If we wish to run our WRE-N version of WRF
> from an AFWA WRF external model run for ICs qand LBCs, we can simply
> use the pressure-level datasets via JMBL and I think be fine.
> However, it is not clear to me that others here would not be more
> impacted in their work if sigma-levels were no longer accessible via
> JMBL/WDA. Please give this some thought and reply if you view this
change as
> potentially a significant impact for you.
>
>
>
> Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WISE, ERIC P GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A6W
> [mailto:eric.wise at us.af.mil]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:43 PM
> To: Knapp, David I CIV (US); Smith, Kenneth F CIV (US)
> Cc: Sauter, David P CIV (US); Johnson, Jeffrey O CIV (US); Dumais,
> Robert E Jr CIV (US); Kirby, Stephen F CIV (US); O'Brien, Sean G CIV
> (US)
> Subject: RE: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
> (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> Dave,
>
> If it helps, the organizational ID which is making JMBL requests for
> sigma level data is associated with an acronym "ARL R&D". We also
see
> DCGS-A on subscription to sigma level WRF data, but under a
different
> organizational ID.
>
> Eric
>
> /// SIGNED ///
> ERIC P. WISE, GS-13, DAF
> Data Administrator
> Air Force Weather Agency
> (402) 232-6815 / DSN 272-6815
> eric.wise at us.af.mil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Knapp, David I CIV (US) [mailto:david.i.knapp.civ at mail.mil]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:21 PM
> To: SMITH, KENNETH F GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O
> Cc: WISE, ERIC P GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A6W; Sauter, David P CIV (US);
> Johnson, Jeffrey O CIV (US); Dumais, Robert E Jr CIV (US); Kirby,
> Stephen F CIV (US); O'Brien, Sean G CIV (US)
> Subject: RE: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
> (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> Ken,
>
> Jim Brandt retired last fall. I have Cc'd some others here who can
> chime in regarding our need for Sigma data. I'll coordinate with
them
> and we'll get back with you on this later this week, if that's OK.
>
>
> Dave/Jeff/Bob/Steve,
>
> Please coordinate amongst yourselves and let me know if we still
need
> this Sigma data feed from AFWA which was previously monitored by Jim
> Brandt. I can follow-up with Ken Smith when you provide me our
response.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Dave
>
> ************************
> David Knapp
> Chief, Atmospheric Modeling Branch
> ARL/CISD
> RDRL-CIE-M, Bldg 1622, Rm 112A
> White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002-5501
>
> Phone: (575) 678-4574
> Fax: (575) 678-1230
> DSN: 258-XXXX
> Email: david.i.knapp.civ at mail.mil
>
> ************************
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SMITH, KENNETH F GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O
> [mailto:kenneth.smith.60 at us.af.mil]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 9:29 AM
> To: Knapp, David I CIV (US)
> Cc: Wise, Eric P CIV (US)
> Subject: FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
>
> Dave, I got a bounce-back from jim.brandt at us.army.mil. I think he
> works at ARL Whitesands...or used to? Just trying to find out if
ARL
> requires Sigma data, because we want to remove Sigma data from our
distro
> servers.
>
> v/r
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SMITH, KENNETH F GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 9:47 AM
> To: 'd.wheat at tnt-inc.net'; 'Steve.renner at dtra.mil';
> 'Douglas.Holland at jhuapl.edu'; 'gbieber at ucar.edu';
> 'jim.brandt at us.army.mil'; 'todd.patstone at tybrin.com';
'cborden at aer.com'
> Cc: WISE, ERIC P GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A6W; TELFEYAN, R B GS-13 USAF
> AFWA AFWA/A3O; KUCHERA, EVAN L GS-12 USAF AFWA 16 WS/WXN
> Subject: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> We will be making some changes in our sigma level configuration for
> WRF. Longer term, we do not plan on hosting Sigma data on our WDA
> server, for JMBL access.
>
> Our records indicate you have pulled in Sigma files from AFWA.
> Please let me know which Sigma data you require, and we can look for
> non-Sigma options. We won't turn off Sigma data overnight, but
that's
> our plan for the future. If you aren't the right person to ask,
> please forward to someone that would know how your applications are
> leveraging our sigma data.
>
> If you're not sure which parameters are on Sigma levels, please
check
> your JMBL request. It will have an element called MasterLayerName
> with a value of either "SIGL" or "SIGY". SIGL is a single sigma
level
> and SIGY is a layer between two sigma levels. That piece of the
JMBL
> request will look something like this ("urn" is a reference defined
by
> the user, so would likely be different):
> "... <urn:MasterLayerName>SIGL</urn:MasterLayerName> ..."
>
> Again, our longer-term goal is to move away from hosting our Sigma
> data on WDA. It's quite possible you won't be impacted, if we do
> remove Sigma from WDA.
>
> v/r
>
> Ken Smith
>
> Ken Smith, DAF
> Senior Operations Manager (HQ AFWA/A3O)
> 101 Nelson Drive, Offutt Air Force Base, NE 68113-1023 VOICE DSN
> 271-1632; Comm (402) 294-1632
> UNCLAS: Kenneth.Smith.60 at us.af.mil
> SIPR: Kenneth.Smith at offutt.af.smil.mil
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WISE, ERIC P GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A6W
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:41 PM
> To: SMITH, KENNETH F GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O; KUCHERA, EVAN L GS-12
> USAF AFWA 16 WS/WXN; TELFEYAN, R B GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O
> Cc: RUGG, STEVEN A GS-13 USAF AFWA 16 WS/WXN
> Subject: RE: WRF model vertical level requirements
>
> As promised, attached, please find the list of users who used JMBL
to
> access WRF sigma level data during the 132 non-contiguous hours
captured in
> JAC.
> The requests in JAC are from 21-22 Oct, 14-18 Nov, 4-5 Dec and 31
Dec.
> As snapshots, it's not guaranteed to capture all users, but since
the
> requests were scattered over a number of different days, it might be
a
> reasonable capture. The email addresses are the contact email for
the
> organization, so that person may not be fully aware of who in their
> organization actually made the request, but that's as good as I can
get from
> the database.
>
> Let me know if anything else is needed. Thanks,
>
> Eric
>
> /// SIGNED ///
> ERIC P. WISE, GS-13, DAF
> Data Administrator
> Air Force Weather Agency
> (402) 232-6815 / DSN 272-6815
> eric.wise at us.af.mil
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
------------------------------------------------
Subject: FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: Raby, John W USA CIV
Time: Thu Jan 16 11:46:40 2014
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
John -
We've concluded here that there is likely no impact just as you did.
The files
from AFWA we've worked with in the past are post-processed GRIB output
files.
An unrelated potential problem with AFWA WRF output is due to their
use of a
modified GRIB table for codes 128 and higher, but for the little work
we've
done here with their WRF output, we focused on verifying variables
whose codes
are less than 128.
Thanks for your input on that.
R/
John
-----Original Message-----
From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 4:45 PM
To: Raby, John W CIV USARMY ARL (US)
Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #64889] FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma
Levels and
JMBL Services (UNCLASSIFIED)
Hello John,
Looking through the email thread, it is not clear to me whether we are
talking
about the raw NetCDF wrfout files or post-processed GRIB output files.
If
we're talking about GRIB files, then no, I don't think removing the
sigma
level data would have any impact on your processing. Verification is
done
using model output on pressure levels, not sigma levels.
However, if you're talking about raw NetCDF wrfout files, and you are
running
the Unified Post-Processor (UPP) yourself to generate GRIB output,
then yes, I
think that would have an impact. I believe that UPP reads the model
output on
it's native levels and interpolates to pressure levels. If the native
level
data is no longer available, UPP wouldn't be able to generate much
post-processed output.
I suspect you're talking about GRIB files, in which case removing
sigma level
data should have no impact on you.
Hope that helps.
Thanks,
John Halley Gotway
met_help at ucar.edu
On 01/13/2014 02:24 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>
> Mon Jan 13 14:24:11 2014: Request 64889 was acted upon.
> Transaction: Ticket created by john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
> Queue: met_help
> Subject: FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
> (UNCLASSIFIED)
> Owner: Nobody
> Requestors: john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
> Status: new
> Ticket <URL:
https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=64889
> >
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> We have received notice from AFWA in the email thread below that
they
> do not intend to host WRF sigma level data on the JMBL server. I
> responded below with ARL users about how MET processes WRF
> variables/levels. Do you have any answers to the question raised
about
> whether this change will impact my ability to use MET on AFWA WRF
output?
>
> Thanks.
>
> R/
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raby, John W CIV USARMY ARL (US)
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 2:01 PM
> To: Dumais, Robert E Jr CIV (US); Reen, Brian P CIV USARMY ARL (US);
> Kirby, Stephen F CIV (US); Zeng, Subing CIV (US); Passner, Jeffrey E
> CIV (US); Wang, Yansen CIV (US)
> Cc: Knapp, David I CIV (US); Sauter, David P CIV (US); Foley,
Theresa
> A CTR
> (US)
> Subject: RE: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
> (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> Bob -
>
> MET processes meteorological variables either as levels AGL such as
> "Z2" for 2m AGL (TMP, DPT, RH) and "Z10" for 10m AGL wind variables
> (WIND, UGRD and
> VGRD) and as pressure level specified as P500 (500mb), P700 (700mb),
> or ranges such as P910-1010 (910-1010mb) from the post-processed WRF
output.
> I'm not sure if the lack of sigma levels will impact the way MET
> processes the WRF output, so if anyone want to chime in, please do.
> Let me know if you need more info.
>
> R/
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dumais, Robert E Jr CIV (US)
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:59 PM
> To: Reen, Brian P CIV USARMY ARL (US); Raby, John W CIV USARMY ARL
> (US); Kirby, Stephen F CIV (US); Zeng, Subing CIV (US); Passner,
> Jeffrey E CIV (US); Wang, Yansen CIV (US)
> Cc: Knapp, David I CIV (US); Sauter, David P CIV (US)
> Subject: FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
> (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
> All,
>
>
> In terms of running the WRE-N, which is essentially running a
> higher resolution version of the WRF model of course, I do not
> necessarily see a significant impact from AFWA's decision (read
below)
> to move away from supporting their WRF sigma-level data on the WDA
> server for JMBL access. If we wish to run our WRE-N version of WRF
> from an AFWA WRF external model run for ICs qand LBCs, we can simply
> use the pressure-level datasets via JMBL and I think be fine.
> However, it is not clear to me that others here would not be more
> impacted in their work if sigma-levels were no longer accessible via
> JMBL/WDA. Please give this some thought and reply if you view this
change as
> potentially a significant impact for you.
>
>
>
> Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WISE, ERIC P GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A6W
> [mailto:eric.wise at us.af.mil]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:43 PM
> To: Knapp, David I CIV (US); Smith, Kenneth F CIV (US)
> Cc: Sauter, David P CIV (US); Johnson, Jeffrey O CIV (US); Dumais,
> Robert E Jr CIV (US); Kirby, Stephen F CIV (US); O'Brien, Sean G CIV
> (US)
> Subject: RE: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
> (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> Dave,
>
> If it helps, the organizational ID which is making JMBL requests for
> sigma level data is associated with an acronym "ARL R&D". We also
see
> DCGS-A on subscription to sigma level WRF data, but under a
different
> organizational ID.
>
> Eric
>
> /// SIGNED ///
> ERIC P. WISE, GS-13, DAF
> Data Administrator
> Air Force Weather Agency
> (402) 232-6815 / DSN 272-6815
> eric.wise at us.af.mil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Knapp, David I CIV (US) [mailto:david.i.knapp.civ at mail.mil]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:21 PM
> To: SMITH, KENNETH F GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O
> Cc: WISE, ERIC P GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A6W; Sauter, David P CIV (US);
> Johnson, Jeffrey O CIV (US); Dumais, Robert E Jr CIV (US); Kirby,
> Stephen F CIV (US); O'Brien, Sean G CIV (US)
> Subject: RE: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
> (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> Ken,
>
> Jim Brandt retired last fall. I have Cc'd some others here who can
> chime in regarding our need for Sigma data. I'll coordinate with
them
> and we'll get back with you on this later this week, if that's OK.
>
>
> Dave/Jeff/Bob/Steve,
>
> Please coordinate amongst yourselves and let me know if we still
need
> this Sigma data feed from AFWA which was previously monitored by Jim
> Brandt. I can follow-up with Ken Smith when you provide me our
response.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Dave
>
> ************************
> David Knapp
> Chief, Atmospheric Modeling Branch
> ARL/CISD
> RDRL-CIE-M, Bldg 1622, Rm 112A
> White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002-5501
>
> Phone: (575) 678-4574
> Fax: (575) 678-1230
> DSN: 258-XXXX
> Email: david.i.knapp.civ at mail.mil
>
> ************************
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SMITH, KENNETH F GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O
> [mailto:kenneth.smith.60 at us.af.mil]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 9:29 AM
> To: Knapp, David I CIV (US)
> Cc: Wise, Eric P CIV (US)
> Subject: FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
>
> Dave, I got a bounce-back from jim.brandt at us.army.mil. I think he
> works at ARL Whitesands...or used to? Just trying to find out if
ARL
> requires Sigma data, because we want to remove Sigma data from our
distro
> servers.
>
> v/r
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SMITH, KENNETH F GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 9:47 AM
> To: 'd.wheat at tnt-inc.net'; 'Steve.renner at dtra.mil';
> 'Douglas.Holland at jhuapl.edu'; 'gbieber at ucar.edu';
> 'jim.brandt at us.army.mil'; 'todd.patstone at tybrin.com';
'cborden at aer.com'
> Cc: WISE, ERIC P GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A6W; TELFEYAN, R B GS-13 USAF
> AFWA AFWA/A3O; KUCHERA, EVAN L GS-12 USAF AFWA 16 WS/WXN
> Subject: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> We will be making some changes in our sigma level configuration for
> WRF. Longer term, we do not plan on hosting Sigma data on our WDA
> server, for JMBL access.
>
> Our records indicate you have pulled in Sigma files from AFWA.
> Please let me know which Sigma data you require, and we can look for
> non-Sigma options. We won't turn off Sigma data overnight, but
that's
> our plan for the future. If you aren't the right person to ask,
> please forward to someone that would know how your applications are
> leveraging our sigma data.
>
> If you're not sure which parameters are on Sigma levels, please
check
> your JMBL request. It will have an element called MasterLayerName
> with a value of either "SIGL" or "SIGY". SIGL is a single sigma
level
> and SIGY is a layer between two sigma levels. That piece of the
JMBL
> request will look something like this ("urn" is a reference defined
by
> the user, so would likely be different):
> "... <urn:MasterLayerName>SIGL</urn:MasterLayerName> ..."
>
> Again, our longer-term goal is to move away from hosting our Sigma
> data on WDA. It's quite possible you won't be impacted, if we do
> remove Sigma from WDA.
>
> v/r
>
> Ken Smith
>
> Ken Smith, DAF
> Senior Operations Manager (HQ AFWA/A3O)
> 101 Nelson Drive, Offutt Air Force Base, NE 68113-1023 VOICE DSN
> 271-1632; Comm (402) 294-1632
> UNCLAS: Kenneth.Smith.60 at us.af.mil
> SIPR: Kenneth.Smith at offutt.af.smil.mil
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WISE, ERIC P GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A6W
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:41 PM
> To: SMITH, KENNETH F GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O; KUCHERA, EVAN L GS-12
> USAF AFWA 16 WS/WXN; TELFEYAN, R B GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O
> Cc: RUGG, STEVEN A GS-13 USAF AFWA 16 WS/WXN
> Subject: RE: WRF model vertical level requirements
>
> As promised, attached, please find the list of users who used JMBL
to
> access WRF sigma level data during the 132 non-contiguous hours
captured in
> JAC.
> The requests in JAC are from 21-22 Oct, 14-18 Nov, 4-5 Dec and 31
Dec.
> As snapshots, it's not guaranteed to capture all users, but since
the
> requests were scattered over a number of different days, it might be
a
> reasonable capture. The email addresses are the contact email for
the
> organization, so that person may not be fully aware of who in their
> organization actually made the request, but that's as good as I can
get from
> the database.
>
> Let me know if anything else is needed. Thanks,
>
> Eric
>
> /// SIGNED ///
> ERIC P. WISE, GS-13, DAF
> Data Administrator
> Air Force Weather Agency
> (402) 232-6815 / DSN 272-6815
> eric.wise at us.af.mil
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #64889] FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: John Halley Gotway
Time: Thu Jan 16 11:47:24 2014
John,
Glad to help.
Thanks,
John
On 01/16/2014 11:46 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>
> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=64889 >
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> John -
>
> We've concluded here that there is likely no impact just as you did.
The files
> from AFWA we've worked with in the past are post-processed GRIB
output files.
> An unrelated potential problem with AFWA WRF output is due to their
use of a
> modified GRIB table for codes 128 and higher, but for the little
work we've
> done here with their WRF output, we focused on verifying variables
whose codes
> are less than 128.
>
> Thanks for your input on that.
>
> R/
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 4:45 PM
> To: Raby, John W CIV USARMY ARL (US)
> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #64889] FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma
Levels and
> JMBL Services (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> Hello John,
>
> Looking through the email thread, it is not clear to me whether we
are talking
> about the raw NetCDF wrfout files or post-processed GRIB output
files. If
> we're talking about GRIB files, then no, I don't think removing the
sigma
> level data would have any impact on your processing. Verification
is done
> using model output on pressure levels, not sigma levels.
>
> However, if you're talking about raw NetCDF wrfout files, and you
are running
> the Unified Post-Processor (UPP) yourself to generate GRIB output,
then yes, I
> think that would have an impact. I believe that UPP reads the model
output on
> it's native levels and interpolates to pressure levels. If the
native level
> data is no longer available, UPP wouldn't be able to generate much
> post-processed output.
>
> I suspect you're talking about GRIB files, in which case removing
sigma level
> data should have no impact on you.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Thanks,
> John Halley Gotway
> met_help at ucar.edu
>
> On 01/13/2014 02:24 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>
>> Mon Jan 13 14:24:11 2014: Request 64889 was acted upon.
>> Transaction: Ticket created by john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
>> Queue: met_help
>> Subject: FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
>> (UNCLASSIFIED)
>> Owner: Nobody
>> Requestors: john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
>> Status: new
>> Ticket <URL:
https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=64889
>>>
>>
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>> We have received notice from AFWA in the email thread below that
they
>> do not intend to host WRF sigma level data on the JMBL server. I
>> responded below with ARL users about how MET processes WRF
>> variables/levels. Do you have any answers to the question raised
about
>> whether this change will impact my ability to use MET on AFWA WRF
output?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> R/
>> John
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Raby, John W CIV USARMY ARL (US)
>> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 2:01 PM
>> To: Dumais, Robert E Jr CIV (US); Reen, Brian P CIV USARMY ARL
(US);
>> Kirby, Stephen F CIV (US); Zeng, Subing CIV (US); Passner, Jeffrey
E
>> CIV (US); Wang, Yansen CIV (US)
>> Cc: Knapp, David I CIV (US); Sauter, David P CIV (US); Foley,
Theresa
>> A CTR
>> (US)
>> Subject: RE: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
>> (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>> Bob -
>>
>> MET processes meteorological variables either as levels AGL such as
>> "Z2" for 2m AGL (TMP, DPT, RH) and "Z10" for 10m AGL wind variables
>> (WIND, UGRD and
>> VGRD) and as pressure level specified as P500 (500mb), P700
(700mb),
>> or ranges such as P910-1010 (910-1010mb) from the post-processed
WRF output.
>> I'm not sure if the lack of sigma levels will impact the way MET
>> processes the WRF output, so if anyone want to chime in, please do.
>> Let me know if you need more info.
>>
>> R/
>> John
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dumais, Robert E Jr CIV (US)
>> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:59 PM
>> To: Reen, Brian P CIV USARMY ARL (US); Raby, John W CIV USARMY ARL
>> (US); Kirby, Stephen F CIV (US); Zeng, Subing CIV (US); Passner,
>> Jeffrey E CIV (US); Wang, Yansen CIV (US)
>> Cc: Knapp, David I CIV (US); Sauter, David P CIV (US)
>> Subject: FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
>> (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>>
>> All,
>>
>>
>> In terms of running the WRE-N, which is essentially running a
>> higher resolution version of the WRF model of course, I do not
>> necessarily see a significant impact from AFWA's decision (read
below)
>> to move away from supporting their WRF sigma-level data on the WDA
>> server for JMBL access. If we wish to run our WRE-N version of WRF
>> from an AFWA WRF external model run for ICs qand LBCs, we can
simply
>> use the pressure-level datasets via JMBL and I think be fine.
>> However, it is not clear to me that others here would not be more
>> impacted in their work if sigma-levels were no longer accessible
via
>> JMBL/WDA. Please give this some thought and reply if you view this
change as
>> potentially a significant impact for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WISE, ERIC P GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A6W
>> [mailto:eric.wise at us.af.mil]
>> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:43 PM
>> To: Knapp, David I CIV (US); Smith, Kenneth F CIV (US)
>> Cc: Sauter, David P CIV (US); Johnson, Jeffrey O CIV (US); Dumais,
>> Robert E Jr CIV (US); Kirby, Stephen F CIV (US); O'Brien, Sean G
CIV
>> (US)
>> Subject: RE: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
>> (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> If it helps, the organizational ID which is making JMBL requests
for
>> sigma level data is associated with an acronym "ARL R&D". We also
see
>> DCGS-A on subscription to sigma level WRF data, but under a
different
>> organizational ID.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> /// SIGNED ///
>> ERIC P. WISE, GS-13, DAF
>> Data Administrator
>> Air Force Weather Agency
>> (402) 232-6815 / DSN 272-6815
>> eric.wise at us.af.mil
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Knapp, David I CIV (US) [mailto:david.i.knapp.civ at mail.mil]
>> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:21 PM
>> To: SMITH, KENNETH F GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O
>> Cc: WISE, ERIC P GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A6W; Sauter, David P CIV
(US);
>> Johnson, Jeffrey O CIV (US); Dumais, Robert E Jr CIV (US); Kirby,
>> Stephen F CIV (US); O'Brien, Sean G CIV (US)
>> Subject: RE: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
>> (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Jim Brandt retired last fall. I have Cc'd some others here who can
>> chime in regarding our need for Sigma data. I'll coordinate with
them
>> and we'll get back with you on this later this week, if that's OK.
>>
>>
>> Dave/Jeff/Bob/Steve,
>>
>> Please coordinate amongst yourselves and let me know if we still
need
>> this Sigma data feed from AFWA which was previously monitored by
Jim
>> Brandt. I can follow-up with Ken Smith when you provide me our
response.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> ************************
>> David Knapp
>> Chief, Atmospheric Modeling Branch
>> ARL/CISD
>> RDRL-CIE-M, Bldg 1622, Rm 112A
>> White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002-5501
>>
>> Phone: (575) 678-4574
>> Fax: (575) 678-1230
>> DSN: 258-XXXX
>> Email: david.i.knapp.civ at mail.mil
>>
>> ************************
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SMITH, KENNETH F GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O
>> [mailto:kenneth.smith.60 at us.af.mil]
>> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 9:29 AM
>> To: Knapp, David I CIV (US)
>> Cc: Wise, Eric P CIV (US)
>> Subject: FW: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
>>
>> Dave, I got a bounce-back from jim.brandt at us.army.mil. I think he
>> works at ARL Whitesands...or used to? Just trying to find out if
ARL
>> requires Sigma data, because we want to remove Sigma data from our
distro
>> servers.
>>
>> v/r
>> Ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SMITH, KENNETH F GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O
>> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 9:47 AM
>> To: 'd.wheat at tnt-inc.net'; 'Steve.renner at dtra.mil';
>> 'Douglas.Holland at jhuapl.edu'; 'gbieber at ucar.edu';
>> 'jim.brandt at us.army.mil'; 'todd.patstone at tybrin.com';
'cborden at aer.com'
>> Cc: WISE, ERIC P GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A6W; TELFEYAN, R B GS-13 USAF
>> AFWA AFWA/A3O; KUCHERA, EVAN L GS-12 USAF AFWA 16 WS/WXN
>> Subject: AFWA's WRF Model Sigma Levels and JMBL Services
>>
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> We will be making some changes in our sigma level configuration
for
>> WRF. Longer term, we do not plan on hosting Sigma data on our WDA
>> server, for JMBL access.
>>
>> Our records indicate you have pulled in Sigma files from AFWA.
>> Please let me know which Sigma data you require, and we can look
for
>> non-Sigma options. We won't turn off Sigma data overnight, but
that's
>> our plan for the future. If you aren't the right person to ask,
>> please forward to someone that would know how your applications are
>> leveraging our sigma data.
>>
>> If you're not sure which parameters are on Sigma levels, please
check
>> your JMBL request. It will have an element called MasterLayerName
>> with a value of either "SIGL" or "SIGY". SIGL is a single sigma
level
>> and SIGY is a layer between two sigma levels. That piece of the
JMBL
>> request will look something like this ("urn" is a reference defined
by
>> the user, so would likely be different):
>> "... <urn:MasterLayerName>SIGL</urn:MasterLayerName> ..."
>>
>> Again, our longer-term goal is to move away from hosting our Sigma
>> data on WDA. It's quite possible you won't be impacted, if we do
>> remove Sigma from WDA.
>>
>> v/r
>>
>> Ken Smith
>>
>> Ken Smith, DAF
>> Senior Operations Manager (HQ AFWA/A3O)
>> 101 Nelson Drive, Offutt Air Force Base, NE 68113-1023 VOICE DSN
>> 271-1632; Comm (402) 294-1632
>> UNCLAS: Kenneth.Smith.60 at us.af.mil
>> SIPR: Kenneth.Smith at offutt.af.smil.mil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WISE, ERIC P GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A6W
>> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:41 PM
>> To: SMITH, KENNETH F GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O; KUCHERA, EVAN L GS-
12
>> USAF AFWA 16 WS/WXN; TELFEYAN, R B GS-13 USAF AFWA AFWA/A3O
>> Cc: RUGG, STEVEN A GS-13 USAF AFWA 16 WS/WXN
>> Subject: RE: WRF model vertical level requirements
>>
>> As promised, attached, please find the list of users who used JMBL
to
>> access WRF sigma level data during the 132 non-contiguous hours
captured in
>> JAC.
>> The requests in JAC are from 21-22 Oct, 14-18 Nov, 4-5 Dec and 31
Dec.
>> As snapshots, it's not guaranteed to capture all users, but since
the
>> requests were scattered over a number of different days, it might
be a
>> reasonable capture. The email addresses are the contact email for
the
>> organization, so that person may not be fully aware of who in their
>> organization actually made the request, but that's as good as I can
get from
>> the database.
>>
>> Let me know if anything else is needed. Thanks,
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> /// SIGNED ///
>> ERIC P. WISE, GS-13, DAF
>> Data Administrator
>> Air Force Weather Agency
>> (402) 232-6815 / DSN 272-6815
>> eric.wise at us.af.mil
>>
>>
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>>
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>>
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>>
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
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