[Go-essp-tech] Access control for data with different QC Level
Karl Taylor
taylor13 at llnl.gov
Tue Jul 20 11:24:23 MDT 2010
Hi all,
We clearly need to get clarification/guidance from the modeling groups.
I must say, however, that I'm guessing that the DOI assignment will
cover data published in 99% of the research articles. The other 1% of
the data is still of considerable research value (just as all the CMIP3
data was valuable, even without DOI's). This "other" data should *not*
be excluded from research (and journal publication). Given that there
seem to be limits to what can be accommodated in the "replicated" subset
(which is what is destined for DOI assignment), I see no reason to
modify what I said earlier other than:
We should add a line to the terms of use that when data is used in a
research publication, the user must follow the rules for citation and
acknowledgment that will be found on our website. One of these rules
will be that if a DOI has been assigned to the data, then it must be cited.
We will have to get the modeling groups to agree to this, but, like
Balaji, I think they will be in favor.
Best regards,
Karl
On 7/20/10 10:00 AM, V. Balaji wrote:
> Karl, I must disagree. I think the principle that the modeling centers
> deserve acknowledgment from users of the data in the form of a citation
> has to be a bedrock requirement, and I thought the WGCM leadership
> understood and agreed.
>
> I agree that the WGCM may not have a position on QC and versioning per
> se, but they are necessary steps for a robust citation system, as the
> Michael et al document shows. The WGCM must take a stand on citations.
> If they do the rest follows.
>
> I apologize if I am being hasty and misunderstood your remark, as
> I'm rushing off to the next damn thing... (It's one of those "one
> damn thing after another" days...)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Karl Taylor writes:
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Hold the presses please!
>>
>> My understanding is that WGCM expects *all* output registered with ESG to be
>> made available to anyone who signs the terms of use, as soon as the output is
>> available (with perhaps a requirement that model documentation also be in
>> place). There are no requirements for QC or replication placed on the
>> output. [There aren't even any expectations that "versioning" be
>> implemented, although I think they will be pleased if it is.] This is a
>> simple requirement, which should be easy for us to meet.
>>
>> It would, of course, be helpful for us to include information to users
>> concerning what QC checks have been performed, but that is not part of the
>> requirement, as I understand it.
>>
>> I'll try to respond in more detail later today.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Karl
>>
>> On 7/20/10 9:05 AM, Bryan Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Balaji
>>>
>>> On Tuesday 20 July 2010 16:39:26 V. Balaji wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Bryan, overall I agree with you both about the content of the tokens
>>>> and the machinery for delivering and using tokens.
>>>>
>>>> Small clarification, when you say
>>>>
>>>> Bryan Lawrence writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> However, as it stands, we can't give a DOI to output which is not
>>>>> replicated, but people will need to use it. I *do* think it's ok to
>>>>> restrict this to modellers (despite Martin's point about what PCMDI
>>>>> are advertising). I think most of the non-modelling community will
>>>>> be happy with the replicated data ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Is "modellers" supposed to mean IPCC-WG1? I think so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes! Sorry, lazy language.
>>>
>>> Bryan
>>>
>>>
>
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