[Met_help] [rt.rap.ucar.edu #71028] History for Issue with width function

John Halley Gotway via RT met_help at ucar.edu
Thu Mar 26 09:35:38 MDT 2015


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Hi John. I have one doubt. there are two parts in the GridStatConfig file which contain the variable width. // Interpolation methods//interp = {   field      = BOTH;   vld_thresh = 1.0;
   type = [      {         method = UW_MEAN;         width  = 1;         width  = 3;
      }   ];};
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//// Neighborhood methods//nbrhd = {   vld_thresh = 1.0;   width      = [ 1 ];   cov_thresh = [ >=0.5 ];}
My question is if i want to see the ETS if I UPSCALe, then which WIDTH function I have to change within the INTERP group or the Neighbourhood methods????According to me I should increase the width under the neighbourhood Group. Is that correct???
So essentially what is the difference between the two WIDTH functions under DIFFERENT GROUPS (interp and neighbourhood). 
I added the Width=1 and width=3 in the first one and could not see any difference in my RESULTS. 
Can U pls explain the difference. 
Geeta 		 	   		  

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Subject: Issue with width function
From: John Halley Gotway
Time: Tue Mar 10 14:26:58 2015

Geeta,

I combined your two recent questions into a single support ticket.

I see that you are asking about the "width" settings in the Grid-Stat
configuration file.  "width" shows up in two places there, once in the
"interp" section and once in the "nbrhd" section.  I'll do my best to
explain the difference.

The "nbrhd" section is used to define how the neighborhood
verification
methods are applied.  Basically, this affects the output you see in
the
NBRCNT, NBRCTC, and NBRCTS output line types from Grid-Stat.

The "interp" section is used to do up-scaling.  This is basically a
smoothing of the forecast and/or observation field.  This affect the
output
you see all of the other non-neighborhood line type such as CNT, CTS,
and
so on.  You're interested in the equitable threat score which is named
the
Gilbert Skill Score (GSS) in the CTS line type, and you want to see
how
upscaling impacts that score.  Therefore you should set one or more
upscaling methods in the "interp" section and see how GSS varies.

You could try this:
interp = {
   field      = FCST;
   vld_thresh = 1.0;

   type = [
      { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 1; },
      { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 3; },
      { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 5; },
      { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 7; },
      { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 9; }
   ];
};

Since I set "field = FCST;" we'll only smooth the forecast field,
leaving
the observations unchanged.  We'll smooth the data using a 1x1 box (no
smoothing), 3x3 box, ..., all the way up to a 9x9 box.

I tried this on some sample data and found that the more I smoothed
the
forecast, the worst the GSS performed!  However, the more I smoothed
the
forecast the better the RMSE (in the CNT line type) performed.
Generally
that is the case... the smoother the forecast, the higher the
continuous
statistics, such as RMSE.

Hope that helps.

Thanks,
John Halley Gotway


On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:54 AM, The RT System itself via RT <
met_help at ucar.edu> wrote:

>
> Mon Mar 09 10:54:50 2015: Request 71028 was acted upon.
> Transaction: Given to johnhg by RT_System
>        Queue: met_help
>      Subject: Issue with width function
>        Owner: johnhg
>   Requestors: geeta124 at hotmail.com
>       Status: new
>  Ticket <URL:
https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=71028 >
>
>
> This transaction appears to have no content
>

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Subject: Issue with width function
From: Geeta Geeta
Time: Wed Mar 11 09:52:24 2015

Hi John. I have the following entries in my config
file............nterp = {   field      = BOTH;   vld_thresh = 1.0;
   type = [      {         method = UW_MEAN;         width  = 1;
width  = 3;
      }   ]; };
But when I see my CNT output, I do not get different values of RMSE
and GSS corresponding to WIDTH=1 and WIDTH=3 . But I get only one
value.
Sending you my CNT output. I thought I would get one CNT output for
one width and then 2nd output CTS for the width=3. so that I can
compare them to see if RMSE improves by upscaling. Can  u pls explain
the output that grid stat will write.
Geeta
> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #71028] Issue with width function
> From: met_help at ucar.edu
> To: geeta124 at hotmail.com
> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 14:26:58 -0600
>
> Geeta,
>
> I combined your two recent questions into a single support ticket.
>
> I see that you are asking about the "width" settings in the Grid-
Stat
> configuration file.  "width" shows up in two places there, once in
the
> "interp" section and once in the "nbrhd" section.  I'll do my best
to
> explain the difference.
>
> The "nbrhd" section is used to define how the neighborhood
verification
> methods are applied.  Basically, this affects the output you see in
the
> NBRCNT, NBRCTC, and NBRCTS output line types from Grid-Stat.
>
> The "interp" section is used to do up-scaling.  This is basically a
> smoothing of the forecast and/or observation field.  This affect the
output
> you see all of the other non-neighborhood line type such as CNT,
CTS, and
> so on.  You're interested in the equitable threat score which is
named the
> Gilbert Skill Score (GSS) in the CTS line type, and you want to see
how
> upscaling impacts that score.  Therefore you should set one or more
> upscaling methods in the "interp" section and see how GSS varies.
>
> You could try this:
> interp = {
>    field      = FCST;
>    vld_thresh = 1.0;
>
>    type = [
>       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 1; },
>       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 3; },
>       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 5; },
>       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 7; },
>       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 9; }
>    ];
> };
>
> Since I set "field = FCST;" we'll only smooth the forecast field,
leaving
> the observations unchanged.  We'll smooth the data using a 1x1 box
(no
> smoothing), 3x3 box, ..., all the way up to a 9x9 box.
>
> I tried this on some sample data and found that the more I smoothed
the
> forecast, the worst the GSS performed!  However, the more I smoothed
the
> forecast the better the RMSE (in the CNT line type) performed.
Generally
> that is the case... the smoother the forecast, the higher the
continuous
> statistics, such as RMSE.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Thanks,
> John Halley Gotway
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:54 AM, The RT System itself via RT <
> met_help at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> > Mon Mar 09 10:54:50 2015: Request 71028 was acted upon.
> > Transaction: Given to johnhg by RT_System
> >        Queue: met_help
> >      Subject: Issue with width function
> >        Owner: johnhg
> >   Requestors: geeta124 at hotmail.com
> >       Status: new
> >  Ticket <URL:
https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=71028 >
> >
> >
> > This transaction appears to have no content
> >
>

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Subject: Issue with width function
From: Geeta Geeta
Time: Wed Mar 11 09:52:24 2015

VERSION MODEL FCST_LEAD FCST_VALID_BEG  FCST_VALID_END  OBS_LEAD
OBS_VALID_BEG   OBS_VALID_END   FCST_VAR FCST_LEV OBS_VAR OBS_LEV
OBTYPE VX_MASK INTERP_MTHD INTERP_PNTS FCST_THRESH OBS_THRESH
COV_THRESH   ALPHA LINE_TYPE TOTAL    FBAR FBAR_NCL FBAR_NCU FBAR_BCL
FBAR_BCU   FSTDEV FSTDEV_NCL FSTDEV_NCU FSTDEV_BCL FSTDEV_BCU     OBAR
OBAR_NCL OBAR_NCU OBAR_BCL OBAR_BCU   OSTDEV OSTDEV_NCL OSTDEV_NCU
OSTDEV_BCL OSTDEV_BCU PR_CORR PR_CORR_NCL PR_CORR_NCU PR_CORR_BCL
PR_CORR_BCU SP_CORR KT_CORR RANKS FRANK_TIES ORANK_TIES       ME
ME_NCL   ME_NCU ME_BCL ME_BCU   ESTDEV ESTDEV_NCL ESTDEV_NCU
ESTDEV_BCL ESTDEV_BCU   MBIAS MBIAS_BCL MBIAS_BCU     MAE MAE_BCL
MAE_BCU       MSE MSE_BCL MSE_BCU     BCMSE BCMSE_BCL BCMSE_BCU
RMSE RMSE_BCL RMSE_BCU       E10 E10_BCL E10_BCU      E25 E25_BCL
E25_BCU     E50 E50_BCL E50_BCU     E75 E75_BCL E75_BCU      E90
E90_BCL E90_BCU    EIQR EIQR_BCL EIQR_BCU     MAD MAD_BCL MAD_BCU
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN               9          NA         NA
NA 0.05000 CNT         870 9.60747  8.89059 10.32435       NA       NA
10.78838   10.30418   11.32068         NA         NA 11.11896 10.24189
11.99602       NA       NA 13.19914   12.60674   13.85039         NA
NA 0.57308     0.52668     0.61608          NA          NA      NA
NA     0          0          0 -1.51148 -2.26149 -0.76148     NA
NA 11.28693   10.78036   11.84384         NA         NA 0.86406
NA        NA 7.46912      NA      NA 129.53300      NA      NA
127.24841        NA        NA 11.38126       NA       NA -17.01502
NA      NA -5.83801      NA      NA 0.00000      NA      NA 3.84078
NA      NA 11.18719      NA      NA 9.67879       NA       NA 4.60421
NA      NA

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Subject: Issue with width function
From: John Halley Gotway
Time: Wed Mar 11 13:17:50 2015

Geeta,

Please refer to the example I sent previously.  I'll also copy and
paste it
below.  You have the config file syntax wrong...

interp = {
   field      = FCST;
   vld_thresh = 1.0;

   type = [
      { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 1; },
      { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 3; },
      { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 5; },
      { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 7; },
      { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 9; }
   ];
};

Thanks,
John

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Geeta Geeta via RT
<met_help at ucar.edu>
wrote:

>
> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=71028 >
>
> Hi John. I have the following entries in my config
file............nterp =
> {   field      = BOTH;   vld_thresh = 1.0;
>    type = [      {         method = UW_MEAN;         width  = 1;
>  width  = 3;
>       }   ]; };
> But when I see my CNT output, I do not get different values of RMSE
and
> GSS corresponding to WIDTH=1 and WIDTH=3 . But I get only one value.
> Sending you my CNT output. I thought I would get one CNT output for
one
> width and then 2nd output CTS for the width=3. so that I can compare
them
> to see if RMSE improves by upscaling. Can  u pls explain the output
that
> grid stat will write.
> Geeta
> > Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #71028] Issue with width function
> > From: met_help at ucar.edu
> > To: geeta124 at hotmail.com
> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 14:26:58 -0600
> >
> > Geeta,
> >
> > I combined your two recent questions into a single support ticket.
> >
> > I see that you are asking about the "width" settings in the Grid-
Stat
> > configuration file.  "width" shows up in two places there, once in
the
> > "interp" section and once in the "nbrhd" section.  I'll do my best
to
> > explain the difference.
> >
> > The "nbrhd" section is used to define how the neighborhood
verification
> > methods are applied.  Basically, this affects the output you see
in the
> > NBRCNT, NBRCTC, and NBRCTS output line types from Grid-Stat.
> >
> > The "interp" section is used to do up-scaling.  This is basically
a
> > smoothing of the forecast and/or observation field.  This affect
the
> output
> > you see all of the other non-neighborhood line type such as CNT,
CTS, and
> > so on.  You're interested in the equitable threat score which is
named
> the
> > Gilbert Skill Score (GSS) in the CTS line type, and you want to
see how
> > upscaling impacts that score.  Therefore you should set one or
more
> > upscaling methods in the "interp" section and see how GSS varies.
> >
> > You could try this:
> > interp = {
> >    field      = FCST;
> >    vld_thresh = 1.0;
> >
> >    type = [
> >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 1; },
> >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 3; },
> >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 5; },
> >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 7; },
> >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 9; }
> >    ];
> > };
> >
> > Since I set "field = FCST;" we'll only smooth the forecast field,
leaving
> > the observations unchanged.  We'll smooth the data using a 1x1 box
(no
> > smoothing), 3x3 box, ..., all the way up to a 9x9 box.
> >
> > I tried this on some sample data and found that the more I
smoothed the
> > forecast, the worst the GSS performed!  However, the more I
smoothed the
> > forecast the better the RMSE (in the CNT line type) performed.
Generally
> > that is the case... the smoother the forecast, the higher the
continuous
> > statistics, such as RMSE.
> >
> > Hope that helps.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John Halley Gotway
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:54 AM, The RT System itself via RT <
> > met_help at ucar.edu> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Mon Mar 09 10:54:50 2015: Request 71028 was acted upon.
> > > Transaction: Given to johnhg by RT_System
> > >        Queue: met_help
> > >      Subject: Issue with width function
> > >        Owner: johnhg
> > >   Requestors: geeta124 at hotmail.com
> > >       Status: new
> > >  Ticket <URL:
https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=71028
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > This transaction appears to have no content
> > >
> >
>
>

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Subject: Issue with width function
From: Geeta Geeta
Time: Wed Mar 11 23:22:45 2015

thanks John. it worked. But further one more question, so the width of
the interp section is essentially upscaling the data (both obs and
fcst or either one on my choice) and then the neighbourhood statistics
is computed depending on the neightbourhood width and the threshold
selected. So HOW will the observations and FCST be treated, upscaled
to 3 or 5 or 1 ??? Can U pls explain. Hope I have made myself clear
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Again what i mean to ask is whether the data is
considered haveing upscaling at 1, 3 or 5 level????. Following is the
config file
entries..........////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//// Interpolation methods//interp = {   field      = BOTH;
vld_thresh = 1.0;
   type = [      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 1;},      {method =
UW_MEAN; width  = 3;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 5;}   ];};
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//// Neighborhood methods//nbrhd = {   vld_thresh = 1.0;   width
= [ 1 ];   width      = [ 3 ];   cov_thresh = [ >=0.5 ];}
I am sending you the O/P CNT output and NBRCNT output of this config
file.
If U just look at the NBRCNT o/p, then it is giving me the o/p
corresponding to only the NBR width=3. Can U pls
explain...................Geeta
> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #71028] Issue with width function
> From: met_help at ucar.edu
> To: geeta124 at hotmail.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:17:50 -0600
>
> Geeta,
>
> Please refer to the example I sent previously.  I'll also copy and
paste it
> below.  You have the config file syntax wrong...
>
> interp = {
>    field      = FCST;
>    vld_thresh = 1.0;
>
>    type = [
>       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 1; },
>       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 3; },
>       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 5; },
>       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 7; },
>       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 9; }
>    ];
> };
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Geeta Geeta via RT
<met_help at ucar.edu>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=71028 >
> >
> > Hi John. I have the following entries in my config
file............nterp =
> > {   field      = BOTH;   vld_thresh = 1.0;
> >    type = [      {         method = UW_MEAN;         width  = 1;
> >  width  = 3;
> >       }   ]; };
> > But when I see my CNT output, I do not get different values of
RMSE and
> > GSS corresponding to WIDTH=1 and WIDTH=3 . But I get only one
value.
> > Sending you my CNT output. I thought I would get one CNT output
for one
> > width and then 2nd output CTS for the width=3. so that I can
compare them
> > to see if RMSE improves by upscaling. Can  u pls explain the
output that
> > grid stat will write.
> > Geeta
> > > Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #71028] Issue with width function
> > > From: met_help at ucar.edu
> > > To: geeta124 at hotmail.com
> > > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 14:26:58 -0600
> > >
> > > Geeta,
> > >
> > > I combined your two recent questions into a single support
ticket.
> > >
> > > I see that you are asking about the "width" settings in the
Grid-Stat
> > > configuration file.  "width" shows up in two places there, once
in the
> > > "interp" section and once in the "nbrhd" section.  I'll do my
best to
> > > explain the difference.
> > >
> > > The "nbrhd" section is used to define how the neighborhood
verification
> > > methods are applied.  Basically, this affects the output you see
in the
> > > NBRCNT, NBRCTC, and NBRCTS output line types from Grid-Stat.
> > >
> > > The "interp" section is used to do up-scaling.  This is
basically a
> > > smoothing of the forecast and/or observation field.  This affect
the
> > output
> > > you see all of the other non-neighborhood line type such as CNT,
CTS, and
> > > so on.  You're interested in the equitable threat score which is
named
> > the
> > > Gilbert Skill Score (GSS) in the CTS line type, and you want to
see how
> > > upscaling impacts that score.  Therefore you should set one or
more
> > > upscaling methods in the "interp" section and see how GSS
varies.
> > >
> > > You could try this:
> > > interp = {
> > >    field      = FCST;
> > >    vld_thresh = 1.0;
> > >
> > >    type = [
> > >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 1; },
> > >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 3; },
> > >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 5; },
> > >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 7; },
> > >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 9; }
> > >    ];
> > > };
> > >
> > > Since I set "field = FCST;" we'll only smooth the forecast
field, leaving
> > > the observations unchanged.  We'll smooth the data using a 1x1
box (no
> > > smoothing), 3x3 box, ..., all the way up to a 9x9 box.
> > >
> > > I tried this on some sample data and found that the more I
smoothed the
> > > forecast, the worst the GSS performed!  However, the more I
smoothed the
> > > forecast the better the RMSE (in the CNT line type) performed.
Generally
> > > that is the case... the smoother the forecast, the higher the
continuous
> > > statistics, such as RMSE.
> > >
> > > Hope that helps.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > John Halley Gotway
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:54 AM, The RT System itself via RT <
> > > met_help at ucar.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Mon Mar 09 10:54:50 2015: Request 71028 was acted upon.
> > > > Transaction: Given to johnhg by RT_System
> > > >        Queue: met_help
> > > >      Subject: Issue with width function
> > > >        Owner: johnhg
> > > >   Requestors: geeta124 at hotmail.com
> > > >       Status: new
> > > >  Ticket <URL:
https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=71028
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This transaction appears to have no content
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

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Subject: Issue with width function
From: Geeta Geeta
Time: Wed Mar 11 23:22:45 2015

VERSION MODEL FCST_LEAD FCST_VALID_BEG  FCST_VALID_END  OBS_LEAD
OBS_VALID_BEG   OBS_VALID_END   FCST_VAR FCST_LEV OBS_VAR OBS_LEV
OBTYPE VX_MASK INTERP_MTHD INTERP_PNTS FCST_THRESH OBS_THRESH
COV_THRESH   ALPHA LINE_TYPE TOTAL    FBAR FBAR_NCL FBAR_NCU FBAR_BCL
FBAR_BCU   FSTDEV FSTDEV_NCL FSTDEV_NCU FSTDEV_BCL FSTDEV_BCU     OBAR
OBAR_NCL OBAR_NCU OBAR_BCL OBAR_BCU   OSTDEV OSTDEV_NCL OSTDEV_NCU
OSTDEV_BCL OSTDEV_BCU PR_CORR PR_CORR_NCL PR_CORR_NCU PR_CORR_BCL
PR_CORR_BCU SP_CORR KT_CORR RANKS FRANK_TIES ORANK_TIES       ME
ME_NCL   ME_NCU ME_BCL ME_BCU   ESTDEV ESTDEV_NCL ESTDEV_NCU
ESTDEV_BCL ESTDEV_BCU   MBIAS MBIAS_BCL MBIAS_BCU      MAE MAE_BCL
MAE_BCU       MSE MSE_BCL MSE_BCU     BCMSE BCMSE_BCL BCMSE_BCU
RMSE RMSE_BCL RMSE_BCU       E10 E10_BCL E10_BCU      E25 E25_BCL
E25_BCU     E50 E50_BCL E50_BCU     E75 E75_BCL E75_BCU      E90
E90_BCL E90_BCU    EIQR EIQR_BCL EIQR_BCU     MAD MAD_BCL MAD_BCU
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN               1          NA         NA
NA 0.05000 CNT         992 9.65309  8.55757 10.74860       NA       NA
17.60457   16.86253   18.41542         NA         NA 11.53044 10.39918
12.66170       NA       NA 18.17902   17.41278   19.01634         NA
NA 0.31469     0.25749     0.36969          NA          NA      NA
NA     0          0          0 -1.87736 -3.18116 -0.57355     NA
NA 20.95178   20.06866   21.91681         NA         NA 0.83718
NA        NA 11.92132      NA      NA 442.05909      NA      NA
438.53463        NA        NA 21.02520       NA       NA -24.70651
NA      NA -7.41121      NA      NA 0.00000      NA      NA 1.82353
NA      NA 18.38433      NA      NA 9.23474       NA       NA 4.60727
NA      NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN               9          NA         NA
NA 0.05000 CNT         870 9.60747  8.89059 10.32435       NA       NA
10.78838   10.30418   11.32068         NA         NA 11.11896 10.24189
11.99602       NA       NA 13.19914   12.60674   13.85039         NA
NA 0.57308     0.52668     0.61608          NA          NA      NA
NA     0          0          0 -1.51148 -2.26149 -0.76148     NA
NA 11.28693   10.78036   11.84384         NA         NA 0.86406
NA        NA  7.46912      NA      NA 129.53300      NA      NA
127.24841        NA        NA 11.38126       NA       NA -17.01502
NA      NA -5.83801      NA      NA 0.00000      NA      NA 3.84078
NA      NA 11.18719      NA      NA 9.67879       NA       NA 4.60421
NA      NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN              25          NA         NA
NA 0.05000 CNT         756 9.61581  8.99178 10.23984       NA       NA
8.75429    8.33416    9.21937         NA         NA 10.76688 10.00509
11.52868       NA       NA 10.68684   10.17396   11.25459         NA
NA 0.68521     0.64544     0.72127          NA          NA      NA
NA     0          0          0 -1.15108 -1.71523 -0.58692     NA
NA  7.91426    7.53444    8.33471         NA         NA 0.89309
NA        NA  5.54217      NA      NA  63.87766      NA      NA
62.55269        NA        NA  7.99235       NA       NA -12.05399
NA      NA -4.63685      NA      NA 0.00527      NA      NA 3.39211
NA      NA  7.77246      NA      NA 8.02896       NA       NA 3.82150
NA      NA

------------------------------------------------
Subject: Issue with width function
From: Geeta Geeta
Time: Wed Mar 11 23:22:45 2015

VERSION MODEL FCST_LEAD FCST_VALID_BEG  FCST_VALID_END  OBS_LEAD
OBS_VALID_BEG   OBS_VALID_END   FCST_VAR FCST_LEV OBS_VAR OBS_LEV
OBTYPE VX_MASK INTERP_MTHD INTERP_PNTS FCST_THRESH OBS_THRESH
COV_THRESH   ALPHA LINE_TYPE TOTAL     FBS FBS_BCL FBS_BCU     FSS
FSS_BCL FSS_BCU    AFSS AFSS_BCL AFSS_BCU    UFSS UFSS_BCL UFSS_BCU
F_RATE F_RATE_BCL F_RATE_BCU  O_RATE O_RATE_BCL O_RATE_BCU
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    NBRHD                 9     >=0.000    >=0.000
NA 0.05000 NBRCNT      870 0.00000      NA      NA 1.00000      NA
NA 1.00000       NA       NA 1.00000       NA       NA 1.00000
NA         NA 1.00000         NA         NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    NBRHD                 9     >=5.000    >=5.000
NA 0.05000 NBRCNT      870 0.12805      NA      NA 0.79377      NA
NA 0.98232       NA       NA 0.72644       NA       NA 0.37471
NA         NA 0.45287         NA         NA

------------------------------------------------
Subject: Issue with width function
From: Geeta Geeta
Time: Thu Mar 12 00:19:46 2015

Hi John. another question. So for the CONVERSION of RAW FCST and OBS
into the binary fields,  we have the following section in the config
file.  // Forecast and observation fields to be verified//fcst = {
wind_thresh = [ NA ];
   field = [      {        name       = "APCP_24";        level      =
[ "A03" ];        cat_thresh = [ >0.0, >5.0 ];      }   ];
};obs = fcst;
which means that when FCST or OBS are >0.0 or >5.0 , it will put 1
there else 0. Now we have another section called
// Neighborhood methods//nbrhd = {   vld_thresh = 1.0;   width      =
[ 1 ];   cov_thresh = [ >=0.5 ];}
what is this parameter cov_thresh=[>=0.5] does???? what is its role.
Can U pls explain???Geeta


From: geeta124 at hotmail.com
To: met_help at ucar.edu
Subject: RE: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #71028] Issue with width function
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:51:48 +0530




thanks John. it worked. But further one more question, so the width of
the interp section is essentially upscaling the data (both obs and
fcst or either one on my choice) and then the neighbourhood statistics
is computed depending on the neightbourhood width and the threshold
selected. So HOW will the observations and FCST be treated, upscaled
to 3 or 5 or 1 ??? Can U pls explain. Hope I have made myself clear
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Again what i mean to ask is whether the data is
considered haveing upscaling at 1, 3 or 5 level????. Following is the
config file
entries..........////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//// Interpolation methods//interp = {   field      = BOTH;
vld_thresh = 1.0;
   type = [      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 1;},      {method =
UW_MEAN; width  = 3;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 5;}   ];};
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//// Neighborhood methods//nbrhd = {   vld_thresh = 1.0;   width
= [ 1 ];   width      = [ 3 ];   cov_thresh = [ >=0.5 ];}
I am sending you the O/P CNT output and NBRCNT output of this config
file.
If U just look at the NBRCNT o/p, then it is giving me the o/p
corresponding to only the NBR width=3. Can U pls
explain...................Geeta
> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #71028] Issue with width function
> From: met_help at ucar.edu
> To: geeta124 at hotmail.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:17:50 -0600
>
> Geeta,
>
> Please refer to the example I sent previously.  I'll also copy and
paste it
> below.  You have the config file syntax wrong...
>
> interp = {
>    field      = FCST;
>    vld_thresh = 1.0;
>
>    type = [
>       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 1; },
>       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 3; },
>       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 5; },
>       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 7; },
>       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 9; }
>    ];
> };
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Geeta Geeta via RT
<met_help at ucar.edu>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=71028 >
> >
> > Hi John. I have the following entries in my config
file............nterp =
> > {   field      = BOTH;   vld_thresh = 1.0;
> >    type = [      {         method = UW_MEAN;         width  = 1;
> >  width  = 3;
> >       }   ]; };
> > But when I see my CNT output, I do not get different values of
RMSE and
> > GSS corresponding to WIDTH=1 and WIDTH=3 . But I get only one
value.
> > Sending you my CNT output. I thought I would get one CNT output
for one
> > width and then 2nd output CTS for the width=3. so that I can
compare them
> > to see if RMSE improves by upscaling. Can  u pls explain the
output that
> > grid stat will write.
> > Geeta
> > > Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #71028] Issue with width function
> > > From: met_help at ucar.edu
> > > To: geeta124 at hotmail.com
> > > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 14:26:58 -0600
> > >
> > > Geeta,
> > >
> > > I combined your two recent questions into a single support
ticket.
> > >
> > > I see that you are asking about the "width" settings in the
Grid-Stat
> > > configuration file.  "width" shows up in two places there, once
in the
> > > "interp" section and once in the "nbrhd" section.  I'll do my
best to
> > > explain the difference.
> > >
> > > The "nbrhd" section is used to define how the neighborhood
verification
> > > methods are applied.  Basically, this affects the output you see
in the
> > > NBRCNT, NBRCTC, and NBRCTS output line types from Grid-Stat.
> > >
> > > The "interp" section is used to do up-scaling.  This is
basically a
> > > smoothing of the forecast and/or observation field.  This affect
the
> > output
> > > you see all of the other non-neighborhood line type such as CNT,
CTS, and
> > > so on.  You're interested in the equitable threat score which is
named
> > the
> > > Gilbert Skill Score (GSS) in the CTS line type, and you want to
see how
> > > upscaling impacts that score.  Therefore you should set one or
more
> > > upscaling methods in the "interp" section and see how GSS
varies.
> > >
> > > You could try this:
> > > interp = {
> > >    field      = FCST;
> > >    vld_thresh = 1.0;
> > >
> > >    type = [
> > >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 1; },
> > >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 3; },
> > >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 5; },
> > >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 7; },
> > >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 9; }
> > >    ];
> > > };
> > >
> > > Since I set "field = FCST;" we'll only smooth the forecast
field, leaving
> > > the observations unchanged.  We'll smooth the data using a 1x1
box (no
> > > smoothing), 3x3 box, ..., all the way up to a 9x9 box.
> > >
> > > I tried this on some sample data and found that the more I
smoothed the
> > > forecast, the worst the GSS performed!  However, the more I
smoothed the
> > > forecast the better the RMSE (in the CNT line type) performed.
Generally
> > > that is the case... the smoother the forecast, the higher the
continuous
> > > statistics, such as RMSE.
> > >
> > > Hope that helps.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > John Halley Gotway
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:54 AM, The RT System itself via RT <
> > > met_help at ucar.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Mon Mar 09 10:54:50 2015: Request 71028 was acted upon.
> > > > Transaction: Given to johnhg by RT_System
> > > >        Queue: met_help
> > > >      Subject: Issue with width function
> > > >        Owner: johnhg
> > > >   Requestors: geeta124 at hotmail.com
> > > >       Status: new
> > > >  Ticket <URL:
https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=71028
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This transaction appears to have no content
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

------------------------------------------------
Subject: Issue with width function
From: Geeta Geeta
Time: Thu Mar 12 09:49:07 2015

Hi John. This is continuation with the GSS and RMSE I am calculating
for the UPSCALE data sets. I have 37x37 grid points for FCST and
OBSNS. I upscaled BOTH FCST and OBSNS and//// Interpolation
methods//interp = {   field      = BOTH;   vld_thresh = 1.0;
   type = [      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 1;},      {method =
UW_MEAN; width  = 3;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 5;},
{method = UW_MEAN; width  = 7;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 9;},
{method = UW_MEAN; width  = 11;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  =
13;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 15;},      {method = UW_MEAN;
width  = 17;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 19;},      {method =
UW_MEAN; width  = 21;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 23;},
{method = UW_MEAN; width  = 25;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  =
29;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 31;},      {method = UW_MEAN;
width  = 33;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 35;},      {method =
UW_MEAN; width  = 37;}   ];};
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//// Neighborhood methods//nbrhd = {
I saw that the RMSE improved. BUT did not get GSS beyond the 81 points
(width=9) Donot know whats happening. GSS=





GSS=ETS=Hits-Hitsrandom/(Hits+Misses+False
alarms-Hitsrandom)I am sending you the outputs. Can U pls explain whay
I am not able to get GSS for the 121 points and
above................................


Geeta

From: geeta124 at hotmail.com
To: met_help at ucar.edu
Subject: RE: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #71028] Issue with width function
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 11:48:20 +0530




Hi John. another question. So for the CONVERSION of RAW FCST and OBS
into the binary fields,  we have the following section in the config
file.  // Forecast and observation fields to be verified//fcst = {
wind_thresh = [ NA ];
   field = [      {        name       = "APCP_24";        level      =
[ "A03" ];        cat_thresh = [ >0.0, >5.0 ];      }   ];
};obs = fcst;
which means that when FCST or OBS are >0.0 or >5.0 , it will put 1
there else 0. Now we have another section called
// Neighborhood methods//nbrhd = {   vld_thresh = 1.0;   width      =
[ 1 ];   cov_thresh = [ >=0.5 ];}
what is this parameter cov_thresh=[>=0.5] does???? what is its role.
Can U pls explain???Geeta


From: geeta124 at hotmail.com
To: met_help at ucar.edu
Subject: RE: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #71028] Issue with width function
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:51:48 +0530




thanks John. it worked. But further one more question, so the width of
the interp section is essentially upscaling the data (both obs and
fcst or either one on my choice) and then the neighbourhood statistics
is computed depending on the neightbourhood width and the threshold
selected. So HOW will the observations and FCST be treated, upscaled
to 3 or 5 or 1 ??? Can U pls explain. Hope I have made myself clear
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Again what i mean to ask is whether the data is
considered haveing upscaling at 1, 3 or 5 level????. Following is the
config file
entries..........////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//// Interpolation methods//interp = {   field      = BOTH;
vld_thresh = 1.0;
   type = [      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 1;},      {method =
UW_MEAN; width  = 3;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 5;}   ];};
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//// Neighborhood methods//nbrhd = {   vld_thresh = 1.0;   width
= [ 1 ];   width      = [ 3 ];   cov_thresh = [ >=0.5 ];}
I am sending you the O/P CNT output and NBRCNT output of this config
file.
If U just look at the NBRCNT o/p, then it is giving me the o/p
corresponding to only the NBR width=3. Can U pls
explain...................Geeta
> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #71028] Issue with width function
> From: met_help at ucar.edu
> To: geeta124 at hotmail.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:17:50 -0600
>
> Geeta,
>
> Please refer to the example I sent previously.  I'll also copy and
paste it
> below.  You have the config file syntax wrong...
>
> interp = {
>    field      = FCST;
>    vld_thresh = 1.0;
>
>    type = [
>       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 1; },
>       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 3; },
>       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 5; },
>       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 7; },
>       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 9; }
>    ];
> };
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Geeta Geeta via RT
<met_help at ucar.edu>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=71028 >
> >
> > Hi John. I have the following entries in my config
file............nterp =
> > {   field      = BOTH;   vld_thresh = 1.0;
> >    type = [      {         method = UW_MEAN;         width  = 1;
> >  width  = 3;
> >       }   ]; };
> > But when I see my CNT output, I do not get different values of
RMSE and
> > GSS corresponding to WIDTH=1 and WIDTH=3 . But I get only one
value.
> > Sending you my CNT output. I thought I would get one CNT output
for one
> > width and then 2nd output CTS for the width=3. so that I can
compare them
> > to see if RMSE improves by upscaling. Can  u pls explain the
output that
> > grid stat will write.
> > Geeta
> > > Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #71028] Issue with width function
> > > From: met_help at ucar.edu
> > > To: geeta124 at hotmail.com
> > > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 14:26:58 -0600
> > >
> > > Geeta,
> > >
> > > I combined your two recent questions into a single support
ticket.
> > >
> > > I see that you are asking about the "width" settings in the
Grid-Stat
> > > configuration file.  "width" shows up in two places there, once
in the
> > > "interp" section and once in the "nbrhd" section.  I'll do my
best to
> > > explain the difference.
> > >
> > > The "nbrhd" section is used to define how the neighborhood
verification
> > > methods are applied.  Basically, this affects the output you see
in the
> > > NBRCNT, NBRCTC, and NBRCTS output line types from Grid-Stat.
> > >
> > > The "interp" section is used to do up-scaling.  This is
basically a
> > > smoothing of the forecast and/or observation field.  This affect
the
> > output
> > > you see all of the other non-neighborhood line type such as CNT,
CTS, and
> > > so on.  You're interested in the equitable threat score which is
named
> > the
> > > Gilbert Skill Score (GSS) in the CTS line type, and you want to
see how
> > > upscaling impacts that score.  Therefore you should set one or
more
> > > upscaling methods in the "interp" section and see how GSS
varies.
> > >
> > > You could try this:
> > > interp = {
> > >    field      = FCST;
> > >    vld_thresh = 1.0;
> > >
> > >    type = [
> > >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 1; },
> > >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 3; },
> > >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 5; },
> > >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 7; },
> > >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 9; }
> > >    ];
> > > };
> > >
> > > Since I set "field = FCST;" we'll only smooth the forecast
field, leaving
> > > the observations unchanged.  We'll smooth the data using a 1x1
box (no
> > > smoothing), 3x3 box, ..., all the way up to a 9x9 box.
> > >
> > > I tried this on some sample data and found that the more I
smoothed the
> > > forecast, the worst the GSS performed!  However, the more I
smoothed the
> > > forecast the better the RMSE (in the CNT line type) performed.
Generally
> > > that is the case... the smoother the forecast, the higher the
continuous
> > > statistics, such as RMSE.
> > >
> > > Hope that helps.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > John Halley Gotway
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:54 AM, The RT System itself via RT <
> > > met_help at ucar.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Mon Mar 09 10:54:50 2015: Request 71028 was acted upon.
> > > > Transaction: Given to johnhg by RT_System
> > > >        Queue: met_help
> > > >      Subject: Issue with width function
> > > >        Owner: johnhg
> > > >   Requestors: geeta124 at hotmail.com
> > > >       Status: new
> > > >  Ticket <URL:
https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=71028
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This transaction appears to have no content
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

------------------------------------------------
Subject: Issue with width function
From: Geeta Geeta
Time: Thu Mar 12 09:49:07 2015

VERSION MODEL FCST_LEAD FCST_VALID_BEG  FCST_VALID_END  OBS_LEAD
OBS_VALID_BEG   OBS_VALID_END   FCST_VAR FCST_LEV OBS_VAR OBS_LEV
OBTYPE VX_MASK INTERP_MTHD INTERP_PNTS FCST_THRESH OBS_THRESH
COV_THRESH   ALPHA LINE_TYPE TOTAL    FBAR FBAR_NCL FBAR_NCU FBAR_BCL
FBAR_BCU   FSTDEV FSTDEV_NCL FSTDEV_NCU FSTDEV_BCL FSTDEV_BCU     OBAR
OBAR_NCL OBAR_NCU OBAR_BCL OBAR_BCU   OSTDEV OSTDEV_NCL OSTDEV_NCU
OSTDEV_BCL OSTDEV_BCU PR_CORR PR_CORR_NCL PR_CORR_NCU PR_CORR_BCL
PR_CORR_BCU SP_CORR KT_CORR RANKS FRANK_TIES ORANK_TIES       ME
ME_NCL   ME_NCU ME_BCL ME_BCU   ESTDEV ESTDEV_NCL ESTDEV_NCU
ESTDEV_BCL ESTDEV_BCU   MBIAS MBIAS_BCL MBIAS_BCU      MAE MAE_BCL
MAE_BCU       MSE MSE_BCL MSE_BCU     BCMSE BCMSE_BCL BCMSE_BCU
RMSE RMSE_BCL RMSE_BCU       E10 E10_BCL E10_BCU      E25 E25_BCL
E25_BCU      E50 E50_BCL E50_BCU      E75 E75_BCL E75_BCU      E90
E90_BCL E90_BCU    EIQR EIQR_BCL EIQR_BCU     MAD MAD_BCL MAD_BCU
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN               1          NA         NA
NA 0.05000 CNT         992 9.65309  8.55757 10.74860       NA       NA
17.60457   16.86253   18.41542         NA         NA 11.53044 10.39918
12.66170       NA       NA 18.17902   17.41278   19.01634         NA
NA 0.31469     0.25749     0.36969          NA          NA      NA
NA     0          0          0 -1.87736 -3.18116 -0.57355     NA
NA 20.95178   20.06866   21.91681         NA         NA 0.83718
NA        NA 11.92132      NA      NA 442.05909      NA      NA
438.53463        NA        NA 21.02520       NA       NA -24.70651
NA      NA -7.41121      NA      NA  0.00000      NA      NA  1.82353
NA      NA 18.38433      NA      NA 9.23474       NA       NA 4.60727
NA      NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN               9          NA         NA
NA 0.05000 CNT         870 9.60747  8.89059 10.32435       NA       NA
10.78838   10.30418   11.32068         NA         NA 11.11896 10.24189
11.99602       NA       NA 13.19914   12.60674   13.85039         NA
NA 0.57308     0.52668     0.61608          NA          NA      NA
NA     0          0          0 -1.51148 -2.26149 -0.76148     NA
NA 11.28693   10.78036   11.84384         NA         NA 0.86406
NA        NA  7.46912      NA      NA 129.53300      NA      NA
127.24841        NA        NA 11.38126       NA       NA -17.01502
NA      NA -5.83801      NA      NA  0.00000      NA      NA  3.84078
NA      NA 11.18719      NA      NA 9.67879       NA       NA 4.60421
NA      NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN              25          NA         NA
NA 0.05000 CNT         756 9.61581  8.99178 10.23984       NA       NA
8.75429    8.33416    9.21937         NA         NA 10.76688 10.00509
11.52868       NA       NA 10.68684   10.17396   11.25459         NA
NA 0.68521     0.64544     0.72127          NA          NA      NA
NA     0          0          0 -1.15108 -1.71523 -0.58692     NA
NA  7.91426    7.53444    8.33471         NA         NA 0.89309
NA        NA  5.54217      NA      NA  63.87766      NA      NA
62.55269        NA        NA  7.99235       NA       NA -12.05399
NA      NA -4.63685      NA      NA  0.00527      NA      NA  3.39211
NA      NA  7.77246      NA      NA 8.02896       NA       NA 3.82150
NA      NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN              49          NA         NA
NA 0.05000 CNT         650 9.39886  8.83082  9.96690       NA       NA
7.38903    7.00801    7.81420         NA         NA 10.86244 10.14447
11.58040       NA       NA  9.33928    8.85770    9.87667         NA
NA 0.74089     0.70411     0.77371          NA          NA      NA
NA     0          0          0 -1.46357 -1.94713 -0.98002     NA
NA  6.29002    5.96567    6.65195         NA         NA 0.86526
NA        NA  4.64368      NA      NA  41.64556      NA      NA
39.50351        NA        NA  6.45334       NA       NA -10.22399
NA      NA -4.92567      NA      NA  0.00204      NA      NA  2.59596
NA      NA  5.14649      NA      NA 7.52163       NA       NA 3.29438
NA      NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN              81          NA         NA
NA 0.05000 CNT         552 9.29036  8.75601  9.82470       NA       NA
6.40536    6.04849    6.80733         NA         NA 11.19479 10.50538
11.88420       NA       NA  8.26421    7.80377    8.78283         NA
NA 0.78389     0.74947     0.81409          NA          NA      NA
NA     0          0          0 -1.90443 -2.33253 -1.47634     NA
NA  5.13172    4.84581    5.45376         NA         NA 0.82988
NA        NA  4.05477      NA      NA  29.91370      NA      NA
26.28683        NA        NA  5.46934       NA       NA  -8.64544
NA      NA -5.09572      NA      NA -0.77982      NA      NA  1.69666
NA      NA  3.60992      NA      NA 6.79237       NA       NA 3.09420
NA      NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN             121          NA         NA
NA 0.05000 CNT         462 9.22660  8.71945  9.73375       NA       NA
5.56171    5.22472    5.94553         NA         NA 11.61914 10.94767
12.29061       NA       NA  7.36377    6.91759    7.87195         NA
NA 0.82959     0.79882     0.85603          NA          NA      NA
NA     0          0          0 -2.39254 -2.77077 -2.01430     NA
NA  4.14799    3.89666    4.43425         NA         NA 0.79409
NA        NA  3.70987      NA      NA  22.89284      NA      NA
17.16861        NA        NA  4.78465       NA       NA  -7.98230
NA      NA -5.09410      NA      NA -2.01762      NA      NA  1.00292
NA      NA  2.43386      NA      NA 6.09702       NA       NA 3.04239
NA      NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN             169          NA         NA
NA 0.05000 CNT         380 9.23702  8.74862  9.72542       NA       NA
4.85755    4.53499    5.22990         NA         NA 11.95803 11.32040
12.59567       NA       NA  6.34182    5.92070    6.82794         NA
NA 0.87413     0.84811     0.89594          NA          NA      NA
NA     0          0          0 -2.72101 -3.03830 -2.40373     NA
NA  3.15568    2.94613    3.39757         NA         NA 0.77245
NA        NA  3.40173      NA      NA  17.33600      NA      NA
9.93208        NA        NA  4.16365       NA       NA  -7.26570
NA      NA -4.63599      NA      NA -2.54589      NA      NA -0.51425
NA      NA  1.77779      NA      NA 4.12174       NA       NA 2.07720
NA      NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN             225          NA         NA
NA 0.05000 CNT         306 9.18397  8.70456  9.66338       NA       NA
4.27881    3.96452    4.64765         NA         NA 12.25454 11.65585
12.85323       NA       NA  5.34339    4.95090    5.80400         NA
NA 0.92956     0.91255     0.94336          NA          NA      NA
NA     0          0          0 -3.07057 -3.30437 -2.83677     NA
NA  2.08668    1.93340    2.26655         NA         NA 0.74943
NA        NA  3.21308      NA      NA  13.76839      NA      NA
4.33999        NA        NA  3.71058       NA       NA  -5.81750
NA      NA -4.75525      NA      NA -3.05354      NA      NA -1.67906
NA      NA -0.26133      NA      NA 3.07619       NA       NA 1.52203
NA      NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN             289          NA         NA
NA 0.05000 CNT         240 9.17309  8.67767  9.66851       NA       NA
3.91593    3.59412    4.30155         NA         NA 12.31469 11.73037
12.89901       NA       NA  4.61858    4.23903    5.07339         NA
NA 0.96931     0.96059     0.97613          NA          NA      NA
NA     0          0          0 -3.14160 -3.30181 -2.98138     NA
NA  1.26638    1.16231    1.39109         NA         NA 0.74489
NA        NA  3.14160      NA      NA  11.46669      NA      NA
1.59705        NA        NA  3.38625       NA       NA  -4.79880
NA      NA -4.21965      NA      NA -3.14974      NA      NA -2.18094
NA      NA -1.34043      NA      NA 2.03871       NA       NA 1.03425
NA      NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN             361          NA         NA
NA 0.05000 CNT         182 9.20115  8.68352  9.71879       NA       NA
3.56298    3.23068    3.97211         NA         NA 12.06585 11.48672
12.64498       NA       NA  3.98626    3.61448    4.44399         NA
NA 0.97275     0.96364     0.97960          NA          NA      NA
NA     0          0          0 -2.86470 -3.00654 -2.72286     NA
NA  0.97632    0.88526    1.08843         NA         NA 0.76258
NA        NA  2.86470      NA      NA   9.15445      NA      NA
0.94796        NA        NA  3.02563       NA       NA  -4.10788
NA      NA -3.53808      NA      NA -2.87882      NA      NA -2.08409
NA      NA -1.61802      NA      NA 1.45399       NA       NA 0.76269
NA      NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN             441          NA         NA
NA 0.05000 CNT         132 9.21248  8.68369  9.74128       NA       NA
3.09973    2.76551    3.52662         NA         NA 11.71065 11.15386
12.26745       NA       NA  3.26387    2.91195    3.71337         NA
NA 0.96389     0.94938     0.97429          NA          NA      NA
NA     0          0          0 -2.49817 -2.64666 -2.34968     NA
NA  0.87041    0.77656    0.99028         NA         NA 0.78668
NA        NA  2.49817      NA      NA   6.99272      NA      NA
0.75187        NA        NA  2.64438       NA       NA  -3.63249
NA      NA -3.00224      NA      NA -2.53579      NA      NA -1.86982
NA      NA -1.46335      NA      NA 1.13241       NA       NA 0.61371
NA      NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN             529          NA         NA
NA 0.05000 CNT          90 9.26328  8.72448  9.80207       NA       NA
2.60793    2.27464    3.05665         NA         NA 11.30396 10.75510
11.85283       NA       NA  2.65667    2.31715    3.11378         NA
NA 0.95965     0.93921     0.97331          NA          NA      NA
NA     0          0          0 -2.04069 -2.19550 -1.88588     NA
NA  0.74933    0.65357    0.87826         NA         NA 0.81947
NA        NA  2.04069      NA      NA   4.71966      NA      NA
0.55526        NA        NA  2.17248       NA       NA  -2.96632
NA      NA -2.49632      NA      NA -2.14127      NA      NA -1.63091
NA      NA -1.02273      NA      NA 0.86541       NA       NA 0.44092
NA      NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN             625          NA         NA
NA 0.05000 CNT          56 9.31252  8.77780  9.84723       NA       NA
2.04158    1.72117    2.50991         NA         NA 10.89555 10.29979
11.49131       NA       NA  2.27466    1.91767    2.79645         NA
NA 0.94804     0.91260     0.96934          NA          NA      NA
NA     0          0          0 -1.58303 -1.77494 -1.39113     NA
NA  0.73272    0.61773    0.90080         NA         NA 0.85471
NA        NA  1.58303      NA      NA   3.03329      NA      NA
0.52729        NA        NA  1.74163       NA       NA  -2.52776
NA      NA -2.09334      NA      NA -1.57140      NA      NA -1.05976
NA      NA -0.61140      NA      NA 1.03358       NA       NA 0.52054
NA      NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN             841          NA         NA
NA 0.05000 CNT          12 9.58536  9.07032 10.10040       NA       NA
0.81062    0.57424    1.37633         NA         NA 10.91622  9.99332
11.83913       NA       NA  1.45255    1.02898    2.46625         NA
NA 0.94003     0.76354     0.98585          NA          NA      NA
NA     0          0          0 -1.33086 -1.80347 -0.85825     NA
NA  0.74384    0.52693    1.26294         NA         NA 0.87808
NA        NA  1.33086      NA      NA   2.27838      NA      NA
0.50718        NA        NA  1.50943       NA       NA  -2.16893
NA      NA -1.92924      NA      NA -1.41491      NA      NA -0.76906
NA      NA -0.37778      NA      NA 1.16018       NA       NA 0.60323
NA      NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN             961          NA         NA
NA 0.05000 CNT           2 9.48327  3.36888 15.59765       NA       NA
0.68054    0.30362   21.71604         NA         NA 11.30496  3.71390
18.89602       NA       NA  0.84489    0.37695   26.96066         NA
NA 1.00000          NA          NA          NA          NA      NA
NA     0          0          0 -1.82170 -3.29838 -0.34502     NA
NA  0.16436    0.07333    5.24462         NA         NA 0.83886
NA        NA  1.82170      NA      NA   3.33209      NA      NA
0.01351        NA        NA  1.82540       NA       NA  -1.91467
NA      NA -1.87981      NA      NA -1.82170      NA      NA -1.76359
NA      NA -1.72872      NA      NA 0.11622       NA       NA 0.11622
NA      NA

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Subject: Issue with width function
From: Geeta Geeta
Time: Thu Mar 12 09:49:07 2015

VERSION MODEL FCST_LEAD FCST_VALID_BEG  FCST_VALID_END  OBS_LEAD
OBS_VALID_BEG   OBS_VALID_END   FCST_VAR FCST_LEV OBS_VAR OBS_LEV
OBTYPE VX_MASK INTERP_MTHD INTERP_PNTS FCST_THRESH OBS_THRESH
COV_THRESH   ALPHA LINE_TYPE TOTAL   BASER BASER_NCL BASER_NCU
BASER_BCL BASER_BCU   FMEAN FMEAN_NCL FMEAN_NCU FMEAN_BCL FMEAN_BCU
ACC ACC_NCL ACC_NCU ACC_BCL ACC_BCU   FBIAS FBIAS_BCL FBIAS_BCU
PODY PODY_NCL PODY_NCU PODY_BCL PODY_BCU    PODN PODN_NCL PODN_NCU
PODN_BCL PODN_BCU    POFD POFD_NCL POFD_NCU POFD_BCL POFD_BCU     FAR
FAR_NCL FAR_NCU FAR_BCL FAR_BCU     CSI CSI_NCL CSI_NCU CSI_BCL
CSI_BCU     GSS GSS_BCL GSS_BCU      HK   HK_NCL  HK_NCU HK_BCL HK_BCU
HSS HSS_BCL HSS_BCU     ODDS ODDS_NCL ODDS_NCU ODDS_BCL ODDS_BCU
LODDS LODDS_NCL LODDS_NCU LODDS_BCL LODDS_BCU    ORSS ORSS_NCL
ORSS_NCU ORSS_BCL ORSS_BCU     EDS EDS_NCL EDS_NCU EDS_BCL EDS_BCU
SEDS SEDS_NCL SEDS_NCU SEDS_BCL SEDS_BCU     EDI EDI_NCL EDI_NCU
EDI_BCL EDI_BCU    SEDI SEDI_NCL SEDI_NCU SEDI_BCL SEDI_BCU   BAGSS
BAGSS_BCL BAGSS_BCU
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN               1      >0.000     >0.000
NA 0.05000 CTS         992 0.57460   0.54360   0.60502        NA
NA 0.63810   0.60772   0.66742        NA        NA 0.76915 0.74192
0.79431      NA      NA 1.11053        NA        NA 0.85439  0.83107
0.87497       NA       NA 0.65403  0.62388  0.68298       NA       NA
0.34597  0.31702  0.37612       NA       NA 0.23065  0.20550 0.25787
NA      NA 0.68017 0.65050 0.70845      NA      NA 0.34995      NA
NA 0.50841  0.46402 0.55281     NA     NA 0.51846      NA      NA
11.09193  8.15777 15.08143       NA       NA 2.40622   2.09897
2.71346        NA        NA 0.83460  0.78798  0.88122       NA
NA 0.55761 0.48341 0.63181      NA      NA 0.41026  0.34308  0.47744
NA       NA 0.74175 0.65118 0.83232      NA      NA 0.67398  0.64022
0.84328       NA       NA 0.34322        NA        NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN               9      >0.000     >0.000
NA 0.05000 CTS         870 0.74253   0.71245   0.77047        NA
NA 0.84138   0.81561   0.86415        NA        NA 0.84368 0.81804
0.86629      NA      NA 1.13313        NA        NA 0.96130  0.94632
0.97222       NA       NA 0.50446  0.47129  0.53759       NA       NA
0.49554  0.46241  0.52871       NA       NA 0.15164  0.12934 0.17700
NA      NA 0.82034 0.79344 0.84443      NA      NA 0.36291      NA
NA 0.46576  0.43551 0.49601     NA     NA 0.53255      NA      NA
25.28757 15.67946 40.78337       NA       NA 3.23031   2.75235
3.70827        NA        NA 0.92392  0.88894  0.95890       NA
NA 0.76588 0.68484 0.84691      NA      NA 0.39519  0.33117  0.45922
NA       NA 0.89356 0.79888 0.98823      NA      NA 0.69057  0.70068
1.08644       NA       NA 0.38606        NA        NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN              25      >0.000     >0.000
NA 0.05000 CTS         756 0.82804   0.79950   0.85327        NA
NA 0.94444   0.92576   0.95864        NA        NA 0.84656 0.81912
0.87049      NA      NA 1.14058        NA        NA 0.97764  0.96443
0.98601       NA       NA 0.21538  0.18756  0.24609       NA       NA
0.78462  0.75391  0.81244       NA       NA 0.14286  0.11972 0.16961
NA      NA 0.84066 0.81286 0.86502      NA      NA 0.15191      NA
NA 0.19302  0.16208 0.22396     NA     NA 0.26375      NA      NA
12.00000  6.11034 23.56662       NA       NA 2.48491   1.80998
3.15983        NA        NA 0.84615  0.75031  0.94200       NA
NA 0.78592 0.68579 0.88606      NA      NA 0.16346  0.09822  0.22869
NA       NA 0.82941 0.41450 1.24433      NA      NA 0.44367  0.23713
1.42169       NA       NA 0.27028        NA        NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN              49      >0.000     >0.000
NA 0.05000 CTS         650 0.90000   0.87454   0.92076        NA
NA 0.99846   0.99134   0.99973        NA        NA 0.90154 0.87622
0.92214      NA      NA 1.10940        NA        NA 1.00000  0.99412
1.00000       NA       NA 0.01538  0.00838  0.02809       NA       NA
0.98462  0.97191  0.99162       NA       NA 0.09861  0.07800 0.12395
NA      NA 0.90139 0.87605 0.92200      NA      NA 0.01387      NA
NA 0.01538 -0.01271 0.04348     NA     NA 0.02736      NA      NA
NA       NA       NA       NA       NA      NA        NA        NA
NA        NA 1.00000       NA       NA       NA       NA 1.00000
1.00000 1.00000      NA      NA 0.01461  0.01461  0.01461       NA
NA 1.00000      NA      NA      NA      NA      NA       NA       NA
NA       NA      NA        NA        NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN              81      >0.000     >0.000
NA 0.05000 CTS         552 0.96196   0.94254   0.97498        NA
NA 1.00000   0.99309   1.00000        NA        NA 0.96196 0.94254
0.97498      NA      NA 1.03955        NA        NA 1.00000  0.99309
1.00000       NA       NA 0.00000  0.00000  0.00691       NA       NA
1.00000  0.99309  1.00000       NA       NA 0.03804  0.02502 0.05746
NA      NA 0.96196 0.94254 0.97498      NA      NA 0.00000      NA
NA 0.00000 -0.07740 0.07740     NA     NA 0.00000      NA      NA
NA       NA       NA       NA       NA      NA        NA        NA
NA        NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA 1.00000
1.00000 1.00000      NA      NA 0.00000  0.00000  0.00000       NA
NA      NA      NA      NA      NA      NA      NA       NA       NA
NA       NA      NA        NA        NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN             121      >0.000     >0.000
NA 0.05000 CTS         462 1.00000   0.99175   1.00000        NA
NA 1.00000   0.99175   1.00000        NA        NA 1.00000 0.99175
1.00000      NA      NA 1.00000        NA        NA 1.00000  0.99175
1.00000       NA       NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA
NA       NA       NA       NA       NA 0.00000 -0.00000 0.00825
NA      NA 1.00000 0.99175 1.00000      NA      NA      NA      NA
NA      NA       NA      NA     NA     NA      NA      NA      NA
NA       NA       NA       NA       NA      NA        NA        NA
NA        NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA      NA
NA      NA      NA      NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA
NA      NA      NA      NA      NA      NA       NA       NA       NA
NA      NA        NA        NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN             169      >0.000     >0.000
NA 0.05000 CTS         380 1.00000   0.98999   1.00000        NA
NA 1.00000   0.98999   1.00000        NA        NA 1.00000 0.98999
1.00000      NA      NA 1.00000        NA        NA 1.00000  0.98999
1.00000       NA       NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA
NA       NA       NA       NA       NA 0.00000  0.00000 0.01001
NA      NA 1.00000 0.98999 1.00000      NA      NA      NA      NA
NA      NA       NA      NA     NA     NA      NA      NA      NA
NA       NA       NA       NA       NA      NA        NA        NA
NA        NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA      NA
NA      NA      NA      NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA
NA      NA      NA      NA      NA      NA       NA       NA       NA
NA      NA        NA        NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN             225      >0.000     >0.000
NA 0.05000 CTS         306 1.00000   0.98760   1.00000        NA
NA 1.00000   0.98760   1.00000        NA        NA 1.00000 0.98760
1.00000      NA      NA 1.00000        NA        NA 1.00000  0.98760
1.00000       NA       NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA
NA       NA       NA       NA       NA 0.00000  0.00000 0.01240
NA      NA 1.00000 0.98760 1.00000      NA      NA      NA      NA
NA      NA       NA      NA     NA     NA      NA      NA      NA
NA       NA       NA       NA       NA      NA        NA        NA
NA        NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA      NA
NA      NA      NA      NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA
NA      NA      NA      NA      NA      NA       NA       NA       NA
NA      NA        NA        NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN             289      >0.000     >0.000
NA 0.05000 CTS         240 1.00000   0.98425   1.00000        NA
NA 1.00000   0.98425   1.00000        NA        NA 1.00000 0.98425
1.00000      NA      NA 1.00000        NA        NA 1.00000  0.98425
1.00000       NA       NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA
NA       NA       NA       NA       NA 0.00000  0.00000 0.01575
NA      NA 1.00000 0.98425 1.00000      NA      NA      NA      NA
NA      NA       NA      NA     NA     NA      NA      NA      NA
NA       NA       NA       NA       NA      NA        NA        NA
NA        NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA      NA
NA      NA      NA      NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA
NA      NA      NA      NA      NA      NA       NA       NA       NA
NA      NA        NA        NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN             361      >0.000     >0.000
NA 0.05000 CTS         182 1.00000   0.97933   1.00000        NA
NA 1.00000   0.97933   1.00000        NA        NA 1.00000 0.97933
1.00000      NA      NA 1.00000        NA        NA 1.00000  0.97933
1.00000       NA       NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA
NA       NA       NA       NA       NA 0.00000  0.00000 0.02067
NA      NA 1.00000 0.97933 1.00000      NA      NA      NA      NA
NA      NA       NA      NA     NA     NA      NA      NA      NA
NA       NA       NA       NA       NA      NA        NA        NA
NA        NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA      NA
NA      NA      NA      NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA
NA      NA      NA      NA      NA      NA       NA       NA       NA
NA      NA        NA        NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN             441      >0.000     >0.000
NA 0.05000 CTS         132 1.00000   0.97172   1.00000        NA
NA 1.00000   0.97172   1.00000        NA        NA 1.00000 0.97172
1.00000      NA      NA 1.00000        NA        NA 1.00000  0.97172
1.00000       NA       NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA
NA       NA       NA       NA       NA 0.00000 -0.00000 0.02828
NA      NA 1.00000 0.97172 1.00000      NA      NA      NA      NA
NA      NA       NA      NA     NA     NA      NA      NA      NA
NA       NA       NA       NA       NA      NA        NA        NA
NA        NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA      NA
NA      NA      NA      NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA
NA      NA      NA      NA      NA      NA       NA       NA       NA
NA      NA        NA        NA
V5.0    WRF   270000    20060620_030000 20060620_030000 240000
20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
MC_PCP FULL    UW_MEAN             529      >0.000     >0.000
NA 0.05000 CTS          90 1.00000   0.95906   1.00000        NA
NA 1.00000   0.95906   1.00000        NA        NA 1.00000 0.95906
1.00000      NA      NA 1.00000        NA        NA 1.00000  0.95906
1.00000       NA       NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA
NA       NA       NA       NA       NA 0.00000  0.00000 0.04094
NA      NA 1.00000 0.95906 1.00000      NA      NA      NA      NA
NA      NA       NA      NA     NA     NA      NA      NA      NA
NA       NA       NA       NA       NA      NA        NA        NA
NA        NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA      NA
NA      NA      NA      NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA
NA      NA      NA      NA      NA      NA       NA       NA       NA
NA      NA        NA        NA
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NA 1.00000   0.93581   1.00000        NA        NA 1.00000 0.93581
1.00000      NA      NA 1.00000        NA        NA 1.00000  0.93581
1.00000       NA       NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA
NA       NA       NA       NA       NA 0.00000 -0.00000 0.06419
NA      NA 1.00000 0.93581 1.00000      NA      NA      NA      NA
NA      NA       NA      NA     NA     NA      NA      NA      NA
NA       NA       NA       NA       NA      NA        NA        NA
NA        NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA      NA
NA      NA      NA      NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA
NA      NA      NA      NA      NA      NA       NA       NA       NA
NA      NA        NA        NA
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NA 1.00000   0.75751   1.00000        NA        NA 1.00000 0.75751
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1.00000       NA       NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA
NA       NA       NA       NA       NA 0.00000 -0.00000 0.24249
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NA       NA       NA       NA       NA      NA        NA        NA
NA        NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA      NA
NA      NA      NA      NA      NA       NA       NA       NA       NA
NA      NA      NA      NA      NA      NA       NA       NA       NA
NA      NA        NA        NA
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20060620_000000 20060620_000000 APCP     A24      APCP    A24
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NA 1.00000   0.34238   1.00000        NA        NA 1.00000 0.34238
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Subject: Issue with width function
From: John Halley Gotway
Time: Thu Mar 12 11:03:33 2015

Geeta,

I see that you've written with 3 questions in the last 11 hours.

(1) Regarding how the logic is applied for the interp and nbrhd
sections.
Here's how it works.  Grid-Stat reads the raw data values and stores
them.

Starting with the raw data values, it applies the upscaling parameters
from
the interp section and then computes output statistics in the
non-neighborhood line types, such as CNT, SL1L2, CTC, and CTS.

Then it starts over again with the raw data values and applies the
neighborhood methods defined in the nbrhd section.  It computes the
neighborhoods statistics and writes them in the NBRCNT, NBRCTC, and
NBRCTS
output line type.

So there is no interaction between the logic defined in the interp and
nbrhd sections.

(2) The cov_thresh setting in the nbrhd section is used to compute the
output NBRCTC and NBRCTS line type.  I suggest that you do not use
these
output line types.  Instead, just focus on the FSS and FBS statistics
defined in the NBRCNT line type.  Just turn off the NBRCTC and NBRCTS
lines
types and ignore cov_thresh.

(3) Look at the TOTAL column in your output CNT line type.  That's the
number of matched pairs that are used to compute the statistics in
that
line.  Notice that as you increase the amount of smoothing, the number
of
matches pairs decreases from around 900 down to close to 0.  You're
getting
0 matched pairs for large smoothing sizes because of edge effects.
Grid-Stat only computes a smoothed value if the proportion of valid
data in
the smoothing square meets the threshold defined by the vld_thresh
setting.  You have vld_thresh set to 1.0, so you only get a smoothed
data
value for an 11x11 box when all 121 grid points contains valid data.
That
will only happen at the center of your grid.  Using a 13x13 box, I
suspect
that no grid point has valid data at all 169 grid points.

Please use ncview to display the NetCDF matched pairs file from
grid_stat
and look at the smoothed versions of your data.  It'll become obvious
what's happening.

John

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Geeta Geeta via RT
<met_help at ucar.edu>
wrote:

>
> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=71028 >
>
> Hi John. This is continuation with the GSS and RMSE I am calculating
for
> the UPSCALE data sets. I have 37x37 grid points for FCST and OBSNS.
I
> upscaled BOTH FCST and OBSNS and//// Interpolation methods//interp =
{
>  field      = BOTH;   vld_thresh = 1.0;
>    type = [      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 1;},      {method =
UW_MEAN;
> width  = 3;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 5;},      {method =
UW_MEAN;
> width  = 7;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 9;},      {method =
UW_MEAN;
> width  = 11;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 13;},      {method =
> UW_MEAN; width  = 15;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 17;},
{method
> = UW_MEAN; width  = 19;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 21;},
> {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 23;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  =
25;},
>   {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 29;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  =
31;},
>     {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 33;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width
=
> 35;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 37;}   ];};
>
>
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> //// Neighborhood methods//nbrhd = {
> I saw that the RMSE improved. BUT did not get GSS beyond the 81
points
> (width=9) Donot know whats happening. GSS=
>
>
>
>
>
> GSS=ETS=Hits-Hitsrandom/(Hits+Misses+False
> alarms-Hitsrandom)I am sending you the outputs. Can U pls explain
whay I
> am not able to get GSS for the 121 points and
> above................................
>
>
> Geeta
>
> From: geeta124 at hotmail.com
> To: met_help at ucar.edu
> Subject: RE: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #71028] Issue with width function
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 11:48:20 +0530
>
>
>
>
> Hi John. another question. So for the CONVERSION of RAW FCST and OBS
into
> the binary fields,  we have the following section in the config
file.  //
> Forecast and observation fields to be verified//fcst = {
wind_thresh = [
> NA ];
>    field = [      {        name       = "APCP_24";        level
= [
> "A03" ];        cat_thresh = [ >0.0, >5.0 ];      }   ];
> };obs = fcst;
> which means that when FCST or OBS are >0.0 or >5.0 , it will put 1
there
> else 0. Now we have another section called
> // Neighborhood methods//nbrhd = {   vld_thresh = 1.0;   width
= [ 1
> ];   cov_thresh = [ >=0.5 ];}
> what is this parameter cov_thresh=[>=0.5] does???? what is its role.
Can U
> pls explain???Geeta
>
>
> From: geeta124 at hotmail.com
> To: met_help at ucar.edu
> Subject: RE: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #71028] Issue with width function
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:51:48 +0530
>
>
>
>
> thanks John. it worked. But further one more question, so the width
of the
> interp section is essentially upscaling the data (both obs and fcst
or
> either one on my choice) and then the neighbourhood statistics is
computed
> depending on the neightbourhood width and the threshold selected. So
HOW
> will the observations and FCST be treated, upscaled to 3 or 5 or 1
??? Can
> U pls explain. Hope I have made myself clear !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Again
what i
> mean to ask is whether the data is considered haveing upscaling at
1, 3 or
> 5 level????. Following is the config file
>
entries..........////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> //// Interpolation methods//interp = {   field      = BOTH;
vld_thresh =
> 1.0;
>    type = [      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 1;},      {method =
UW_MEAN;
> width  = 3;},      {method = UW_MEAN; width  = 5;}   ];};
>
>
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> //// Neighborhood methods//nbrhd = {   vld_thresh = 1.0;   width
= [
> 1 ];   width      = [ 3 ];   cov_thresh = [ >=0.5 ];}
> I am sending you the O/P CNT output and NBRCNT output of this config
file.
> If U just look at the NBRCNT o/p, then it is giving me the o/p
> corresponding to only the NBR width=3. Can U pls
> explain...................Geeta
> > Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #71028] Issue with width function
> > From: met_help at ucar.edu
> > To: geeta124 at hotmail.com
> > Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:17:50 -0600
> >
> > Geeta,
> >
> > Please refer to the example I sent previously.  I'll also copy and
paste
> it
> > below.  You have the config file syntax wrong...
> >
> > interp = {
> >    field      = FCST;
> >    vld_thresh = 1.0;
> >
> >    type = [
> >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 1; },
> >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 3; },
> >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 5; },
> >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 7; },
> >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 9; }
> >    ];
> > };
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Geeta Geeta via RT
<met_help at ucar.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=71028 >
> > >
> > > Hi John. I have the following entries in my config
> file............nterp =
> > > {   field      = BOTH;   vld_thresh = 1.0;
> > >    type = [      {         method = UW_MEAN;         width  = 1;
> > >  width  = 3;
> > >       }   ]; };
> > > But when I see my CNT output, I do not get different values of
RMSE and
> > > GSS corresponding to WIDTH=1 and WIDTH=3 . But I get only one
value.
> > > Sending you my CNT output. I thought I would get one CNT output
for one
> > > width and then 2nd output CTS for the width=3. so that I can
compare
> them
> > > to see if RMSE improves by upscaling. Can  u pls explain the
output
> that
> > > grid stat will write.
> > > Geeta
> > > > Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #71028] Issue with width
function
> > > > From: met_help at ucar.edu
> > > > To: geeta124 at hotmail.com
> > > > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 14:26:58 -0600
> > > >
> > > > Geeta,
> > > >
> > > > I combined your two recent questions into a single support
ticket.
> > > >
> > > > I see that you are asking about the "width" settings in the
Grid-Stat
> > > > configuration file.  "width" shows up in two places there,
once in
> the
> > > > "interp" section and once in the "nbrhd" section.  I'll do my
best to
> > > > explain the difference.
> > > >
> > > > The "nbrhd" section is used to define how the neighborhood
> verification
> > > > methods are applied.  Basically, this affects the output you
see in
> the
> > > > NBRCNT, NBRCTC, and NBRCTS output line types from Grid-Stat.
> > > >
> > > > The "interp" section is used to do up-scaling.  This is
basically a
> > > > smoothing of the forecast and/or observation field.  This
affect the
> > > output
> > > > you see all of the other non-neighborhood line type such as
CNT,
> CTS, and
> > > > so on.  You're interested in the equitable threat score which
is
> named
> > > the
> > > > Gilbert Skill Score (GSS) in the CTS line type, and you want
to see
> how
> > > > upscaling impacts that score.  Therefore you should set one or
more
> > > > upscaling methods in the "interp" section and see how GSS
varies.
> > > >
> > > > You could try this:
> > > > interp = {
> > > >    field      = FCST;
> > > >    vld_thresh = 1.0;
> > > >
> > > >    type = [
> > > >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 1; },
> > > >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 3; },
> > > >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 5; },
> > > >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 7; },
> > > >       { method = UW_MEAN; width  = 9; }
> > > >    ];
> > > > };
> > > >
> > > > Since I set "field = FCST;" we'll only smooth the forecast
field,
> leaving
> > > > the observations unchanged.  We'll smooth the data using a 1x1
box
> (no
> > > > smoothing), 3x3 box, ..., all the way up to a 9x9 box.
> > > >
> > > > I tried this on some sample data and found that the more I
smoothed
> the
> > > > forecast, the worst the GSS performed!  However, the more I
smoothed
> the
> > > > forecast the better the RMSE (in the CNT line type) performed.
> Generally
> > > > that is the case... the smoother the forecast, the higher the
> continuous
> > > > statistics, such as RMSE.
> > > >
> > > > Hope that helps.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > John Halley Gotway
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:54 AM, The RT System itself via RT <
> > > > met_help at ucar.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mon Mar 09 10:54:50 2015: Request 71028 was acted upon.
> > > > > Transaction: Given to johnhg by RT_System
> > > > >        Queue: met_help
> > > > >      Subject: Issue with width function
> > > > >        Owner: johnhg
> > > > >   Requestors: geeta124 at hotmail.com
> > > > >       Status: new
> > > > >  Ticket <URL:
> https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=71028
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This transaction appears to have no content
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

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