[Met_help] [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] History for Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
John Halley Gotway via RT
met_help at ucar.edu
Thu Aug 23 08:18:22 MDT 2012
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John Raby,
This is a NWSLI sitename. Let me see why the lat/lons are different.
-- Leon
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Raby, John W CIV (US) <
john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
> Leon -
>
> My colleague Jeff Passner and Bob Flanigan have discovered what appears to
> be
> a conflict in the naming of two different mesonet surface stations. The
> stations are located in CA with the same name at two different locations
> and
> elevations. When we try to run the Model Evaluation Tool Point-Stat, it
> sees
> the conflict in the UGRD and VGRD data and flags the confusing order of the
> observation data as a problem with missing UGRD or VGRD data. Jeff
> inspected
> the downloaded MADIS files and located the stations as follows:
>
> MWSC1 elev 1716 m at 34.23210 and -118.0742 from the Mesowest network
> MWSC1 elev 1700.99 m at 34.23080 and -118.0711 from the CA Hydro network
>
> The attached graphic show the 2 stations which are very close to each
> other.
> In the graphic I labeled one with -A and the other with -B.
>
> Can you correct this situation so that each station has a unique
> identifier?
>
> Let me know if you need more info.
>
> Thanks.
>
> R/
> John
>
> Mr John W. Raby, Meteorologist
> U.S. Army Research Laboratory
> White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002
> (575) 678-2004 DSN 258-2004
> FAX (575) 678-1230 DSN 258-1230
> Email: john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
>
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: John Halley Gotway
Time: Thu Jun 21 10:01:50 2012
John,
I see that you sent this as an issue for MET-Help. Is this strictly
an
issue in the MADIS data or is there some behavior in Point-Stat that
is
not working as you'd expect?
In the upcoming version of MET, METv4.0, point_stat has been enhanced
to
detect duplicate point observations using two different criteria. I
believe it would help in this case.
Thanks,
John
>
> Thu Jun 21 09:30:16 2012: Request 57097 was acted upon.
> Transaction: Ticket created by leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
> Queue: met_help
> Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations
(UNCLASSIFIED)
> Owner: Nobody
> Requestors: leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
> Status: new
> Ticket <URL:
https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>
>
> John Raby,
>
> This is a NWSLI sitename. Let me see why the lat/lons are
different.
>
> -- Leon
>
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Raby, John W CIV (US) <
> john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>>
>> Leon -
>>
>> My colleague Jeff Passner and Bob Flanigan have discovered what
appears
>> to
>> be
>> a conflict in the naming of two different mesonet surface stations.
The
>> stations are located in CA with the same name at two different
locations
>> and
>> elevations. When we try to run the Model Evaluation Tool Point-
Stat, it
>> sees
>> the conflict in the UGRD and VGRD data and flags the confusing
order of
>> the
>> observation data as a problem with missing UGRD or VGRD data. Jeff
>> inspected
>> the downloaded MADIS files and located the stations as follows:
>>
>> MWSC1 elev 1716 m at 34.23210 and -118.0742 from the Mesowest
network
>> MWSC1 elev 1700.99 m at 34.23080 and -118.0711 from the CA Hydro
network
>>
>> The attached graphic show the 2 stations which are very close to
each
>> other.
>> In the graphic I labeled one with -A and the other with -B.
>>
>> Can you correct this situation so that each station has a unique
>> identifier?
>>
>> Let me know if you need more info.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> R/
>> John
>>
>> Mr John W. Raby, Meteorologist
>> U.S. Army Research Laboratory
>> White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002
>> (575) 678-2004 DSN 258-2004
>> FAX (575) 678-1230 DSN 258-1230
>> Email: john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>>
>>
>
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Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: Raby, John W USA CIV
Time: Thu Jun 21 12:26:33 2012
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
John -
Thanks for coming up on the net to offer help. There might be
something you could do from the MET side.
Is there a way that Point-Stat could read the data then ignore without
error the fact that the UGRD data was not followed by the VGRD data
for this particular station and others which might show up later? The
problem Point-Stat sees, at least as far as we can tell, is that when
this stations UGRD and VGRD data is processed to convert it to the MET
specific acsii format, the result is that this station's report
contains 2 lines containing the UGRD data followed by two lines with
the VGRD data, so when Point-Stat reads the data, it sees two
consecutive lines with UGRD in it and errors off with the statement:
“Can’t process vector winds…. a UGRD observation must be followed by a
VGRD observation”. No Point-Stat output is generated when this occurs.
I've attached an example text file (hr1_13Z.txt) which is processed
into the MET specific ascii format. I've also attached another file
(dupStationLog) which shows the duplicate data. Note the order of the
U and V wind component data.
We suspect that this problem occurs only when the particular station
reports UGRD and VGRD. When Point-Stat processes data from other
duplicate stations which do not contain UGRD and VGRD data, it
continues without error. We are conducting testing to see if this is
the case.
The fix for this problem in the data itself will probably have to be
arranged by the MADIS database administration, but their potential fix
may not address past data sets with which we are working for some
important case studies, so it would be nice if there was a patched
version of METV3.1 with a temporary fix to ignore the problem and not
consider that station's UGRD/VGRD data in the vector calculation.
Thanks.
R/
John
-----Original Message-----
From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:02 AM
To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US); madis-
support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry C CIV
(US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
John,
I see that you sent this as an issue for MET-Help. Is this strictly
an issue in the MADIS data or is there some behavior in Point-Stat
that is not working as you'd expect?
In the upcoming version of MET, METv4.0, point_stat has been enhanced
to detect duplicate point observations using two different criteria.
I believe it would help in this case.
Thanks,
John
>
> Thu Jun 21 09:30:16 2012: Request 57097 was acted upon.
> Transaction: Ticket created by leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
> Queue: met_help
> Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations
(UNCLASSIFIED)
> Owner: Nobody
> Requestors: leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
> Status: new
> Ticket <URL:
https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097
> >
>
>
> John Raby,
>
> This is a NWSLI sitename. Let me see why the lat/lons are
different.
>
> -- Leon
>
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Raby, John W CIV (US) <
> john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>>
>> Leon -
>>
>> My colleague Jeff Passner and Bob Flanigan have discovered what
>> appears to be a conflict in the naming of two different mesonet
>> surface stations. The stations are located in CA with the same name
>> at two different locations and elevations. When we try to run the
>> Model Evaluation Tool Point-Stat, it sees the conflict in the UGRD
>> and VGRD data and flags the confusing order of the observation data
>> as a problem with missing UGRD or VGRD data. Jeff inspected the
>> downloaded MADIS files and located the stations as follows:
>>
>> MWSC1 elev 1716 m at 34.23210 and -118.0742 from the Mesowest
network
>> MWSC1 elev 1700.99 m at 34.23080 and -118.0711 from the CA Hydro
>> network
>>
>> The attached graphic show the 2 stations which are very close to
each
>> other.
>> In the graphic I labeled one with -A and the other with -B.
>>
>> Can you correct this situation so that each station has a unique
>> identifier?
>>
>> Let me know if you need more info.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> R/
>> John
>>
>> Mr John W. Raby, Meteorologist
>> U.S. Army Research Laboratory
>> White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002
>> (575) 678-2004 DSN 258-2004
>> FAX (575) 678-1230 DSN 258-1230
>> Email: john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>>
>>
>
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
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Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: Raby, John W USA CIV
Time: Thu Jun 21 12:26:33 2012
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Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: John Halley Gotway
Time: Fri Jun 22 07:56:10 2012
John,
A few comments ...
First, in the point observation file (hr1_13Z.txt), I see that you
have GRIB codes of 2, 7, 11, 17, 32, 33, 34, and 52, but you also have
the string "V-DD". When you run that through ascii2nc, that
string gets interpreted as a numerical value of 0. Is there something
you missed here? Did you intend "V-DD" to get converted to some
meaningful GRIB code?
Second, just to make sure you know, you can make that error go away by
disabling the output of the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 line types in the
"output_flag" parameter in the config file.
Third, I ran this data through ascii2nc and point_stat and was able to
reproduce the error you're seeing. After some inspection, I found the
problem occurs when processing the 2526-th observation.
Since you're using ASCII data, that means you should look at line 2526
of the file (hr1_13Z.txt):
2525 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 33
-9999 1700.99 3.484788
2526 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 33
-9999 1716.00 3.485809
2527 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 34
-9999 1700.99 -0.121691
2528 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 34
-9999 1716.00 -0.121727
You see here that we have 33, 33, 34, 34, when we need it to be 33,
34, 33, 34. I tried reordering this data following this required
convention:
ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 33 -9999
1700.99 3.484788
ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 34 -9999
1700.99 -0.121691
ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 33 -9999
1716.00 3.485809
ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 34 -9999
1716.00 -0.121727
After doing this, the error went away and point_stat ran fine. So it
really is just a problem of the order of the observations - not the
fact that they're "duplicates".
However, I realize that the error message from point_stat should have
told you the observation number that was causing the error. So I've
enhanced the error message in the development version to say
the following:
ERROR :
ERROR : process_obs_file() -> for observation number 2526, when
computing VL1L2 and/or VAL1L2 vector winds each UGRD observation must
be followed by a VGRD observation with the same header and at the
same level.
ERROR :
I think knowing the problematic observation number would have helped
isolate the problem more quickly.
Thanks,
John
On 06/21/2012 12:26 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>
> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> John -
>
> Thanks for coming up on the net to offer help. There might be
something you could do from the MET side.
>
> Is there a way that Point-Stat could read the data then ignore
without error the fact that the UGRD data was not followed by the VGRD
data for this particular station and others which might show up later?
The problem Point-Stat sees, at least as far as we can tell, is that
when this stations UGRD and VGRD data is processed to convert it to
the MET specific acsii format, the result is that this station's
report contains 2 lines containing the UGRD data followed by two lines
with the VGRD data, so when Point-Stat reads the data, it sees two
consecutive lines with UGRD in it and errors off with the statement:
“Can’t process vector winds…. a UGRD observation must be followed by a
VGRD observation”. No Point-Stat output is generated when this occurs.
>
> I've attached an example text file (hr1_13Z.txt) which is processed
into the MET specific ascii format. I've also attached another file
(dupStationLog) which shows the duplicate data. Note the order of the
U and V wind component data.
>
> We suspect that this problem occurs only when the particular station
reports UGRD and VGRD. When Point-Stat processes data from other
duplicate stations which do not contain UGRD and VGRD data, it
continues without error. We are conducting testing to see if this is
the case.
>
> The fix for this problem in the data itself will probably have to be
arranged by the MADIS database administration, but their potential fix
may not address past data sets with which we are working for some
important case studies, so it would be nice if there was a patched
version of METV3.1 with a temporary fix to ignore the problem and not
consider that station's UGRD/VGRD data in the vector calculation.
>
> Thanks.
>
> R/
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:02 AM
> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US); madis-
support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry C CIV
(US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> John,
>
> I see that you sent this as an issue for MET-Help. Is this strictly
an issue in the MADIS data or is there some behavior in Point-Stat
that is not working as you'd expect?
>
> In the upcoming version of MET, METv4.0, point_stat has been
enhanced to detect duplicate point observations using two different
criteria. I believe it would help in this case.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>>
>> Thu Jun 21 09:30:16 2012: Request 57097 was acted upon.
>> Transaction: Ticket created by leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>> Queue: met_help
>> Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations
(UNCLASSIFIED)
>> Owner: Nobody
>> Requestors: leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>> Status: new
>> Ticket <URL:
https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097
>>>
>>
>>
>> John Raby,
>>
>> This is a NWSLI sitename. Let me see why the lat/lons are
different.
>>
>> -- Leon
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Raby, John W CIV (US) <
>> john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>>
>>> Leon -
>>>
>>> My colleague Jeff Passner and Bob Flanigan have discovered what
>>> appears to be a conflict in the naming of two different mesonet
>>> surface stations. The stations are located in CA with the same
name
>>> at two different locations and elevations. When we try to run the
>>> Model Evaluation Tool Point-Stat, it sees the conflict in the UGRD
>>> and VGRD data and flags the confusing order of the observation
data
>>> as a problem with missing UGRD or VGRD data. Jeff inspected the
>>> downloaded MADIS files and located the stations as follows:
>>>
>>> MWSC1 elev 1716 m at 34.23210 and -118.0742 from the Mesowest
network
>>> MWSC1 elev 1700.99 m at 34.23080 and -118.0711 from the CA Hydro
>>> network
>>>
>>> The attached graphic show the 2 stations which are very close to
each
>>> other.
>>> In the graphic I labeled one with -A and the other with -B.
>>>
>>> Can you correct this situation so that each station has a unique
>>> identifier?
>>>
>>> Let me know if you need more info.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> R/
>>> John
>>>
>>> Mr John W. Raby, Meteorologist
>>> U.S. Army Research Laboratory
>>> White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002
>>> (575) 678-2004 DSN 258-2004
>>> FAX (575) 678-1230 DSN 258-1230
>>> Email: john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
------------------------------------------------
Subject: RE: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: jeffrey.e.passner.civ at mail.mil
Time: Fri Jun 22 13:23:11 2012
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
John,
Thanks for
your response about the error involved in Point_stat. Unfortunately,
your suggestions did not work. I tried to disable the output of the
VL1L2 and VAL1L2 (set the output_flag to 0) in the configuration file
as you mentioned but this did not solve the problem. You are correct,
the new error message does help identify the problem quickly, but our
hope is that we can find some other way to solve this issue than by
changing the data by hand. Robert Flanigan, a coworker here, has some
methods to solve the problem here, but we will have to test them.
Jeff Passner
Meteorologist -ARL
-----Original Message-----
From: John Halley Gotway via RT
[mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:56 AM
To:
Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John
W CIV (US); madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US);
Jameson, Terry C CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
Subject: Re:
[rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations
(UNCLASSIFIED)
John,
A few comments ...
First, in the point
observation file (hr1_13Z.txt), I see that you have GRIB codes of 2,
7, 11, 17, 32, 33, 34, and 52, but you also have the string "V-DD".
When you run that through ascii2nc, that
string gets interpreted as
a numerical value of 0. Is there something you missed here? Did you
intend "V-DD" to get converted to some meaningful GRIB code?
Second, just to make sure you know, you can make that error go away by
disabling the output of the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 line types in the
"output_flag" parameter in the config file.
Third, I ran this data
through ascii2nc and point_stat and was able to reproduce the error
you're seeing. After some inspection, I found the problem occurs when
processing the 2526-th observation.
Since you're using ASCII data,
that means you should look at line 2526 of the file (hr1_13Z.txt):
2525 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 33 -9999
1700.99 3.484788
2526 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210
-118.0742 1716.00 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809
2527 ADPSFC MWSC1
20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691
2528 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 34 -9999
1716.00 -0.121727
You see here that we have 33, 33, 34, 34, when we
need it to be 33, 34, 33, 34. I tried reordering this data following
this required convention:
ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080
-118.0711 1700.99 33 -9999 1700.99 3.484788
ADPSFC MWSC1
20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691
ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 33 -9999
1716.00 3.485809
ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742
1716.00 34 -9999 1716.00 -0.121727
After doing this, the error went
away and point_stat ran fine. So it really is just a problem of the
order of the observations - not the fact that they're "duplicates".
However, I realize that the error message from point_stat should have
told you the observation number that was causing the error. So I've
enhanced the error message in the development version to say
the
following:
ERROR :
ERROR : process_obs_file() -> for observation
number 2526, when computing VL1L2 and/or VAL1L2 vector winds each UGRD
observation must be followed by a VGRD observation with the same
header and at the
same level.
ERROR :
I think knowing the
problematic observation number would have helped isolate the problem
more quickly.
Thanks,
John
On 06/21/2012 12:26 PM, Raby, John W
USA CIV via RT wrote:
>
> <URL:
https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>
>
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> John -
>
>
Thanks for coming up on the net to offer help. There might be
something you could do from the MET side.
>
> Is there a way that
Point-Stat could read the data then ignore without error the fact that
the UGRD data was not followed by the VGRD data for this particular
station and others which might show up later? The problem Point-Stat
sees, at least as far as we can tell, is that when this stations UGRD
and VGRD data is processed to convert it to the MET specific acsii
format, the result is that this station's report contains 2 lines
containing the UGRD data followed by two lines with the VGRD data, so
when Point-Stat reads the data, it sees two consecutive lines with
UGRD in it and errors off with the statement: “Can’t process vector
winds…. a UGRD observation must be followed by a VGRD observation”. No
Point-Stat output is generated when this occurs.
>
> I've attached
an example text file (hr1_13Z.txt) which is processed into the MET
specific ascii format. I've also attached another file (dupStationLog)
which shows the duplicate data. Note the order of the U and V wind
component data.
>
> We suspect that this problem occurs only when
the particular station reports UGRD and VGRD. When Point-Stat
processes data from other duplicate stations which do not contain UGRD
and VGRD data, it continues without error. We are conducting testing
to see if this is the case.
>
> The fix for this problem in the data
itself will probably have to be arranged by the MADIS database
administration, but their potential fix may not address past data sets
with which we are working for some important case studies, so it would
be nice if there was a patched version of METV3.1 with a temporary fix
to ignore the problem and not consider that station's UGRD/VGRD data
in the vector calculation.
>
> Thanks.
>
> R/
> John
>
>
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: John Halley Gotway via RT
[mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:02 AM
> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US);
Raby, John W CIV (US); madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV
(US); Jameson, Terry C CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
> Subject:
Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet
stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> John,
>
> I see that you sent this as
an issue for MET-Help. Is this strictly an issue in the MADIS data or
is there some behavior in Point-Stat that is not working as you'd
expect?
>
> In the upcoming version of MET, METv4.0, point_stat has
been enhanced to detect duplicate point observations using two
different criteria. I believe it would help in this case.
>
>
Thanks,
> John
>
>>
>> Thu Jun 21 09:30:16 2012: Request 57097 was
acted upon.
>> Transaction: Ticket created by
leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>> Queue: met_help
>>
Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
Owner: Nobody
>> Requestors: leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>
Status: new
>> Ticket <URL:
https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097
>>>
>>
>>
>> John Raby,
>>
>> This is a NWSLI sitename. Let me see why the
lat/lons are different.
>>
>> -- Leon
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012
at 3:40 PM, Raby, John W CIV (US) <
>> john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil>
wrote:
>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>>
>>> Leon -
>>>
>>> My colleague Jeff Passner and Bob Flanigan
have discovered what
>>> appears to be a conflict in the naming of
two different mesonet
>>> surface stations. The stations are located
in CA with the same name
>>> at two different locations and
elevations. When we try to run the
>>> Model Evaluation Tool Point-
Stat, it sees the conflict in the UGRD
>>> and VGRD data and flags
the confusing order of the observation data
>>> as a problem with
missing UGRD or VGRD data. Jeff inspected the
>>> downloaded MADIS
files and located the stations as follows:
>>>
>>> MWSC1 elev 1716 m
at 34.23210 and -118.0742 from the Mesowest network
>>> MWSC1 elev
1700.99 m at 34.23080 and -118.0711 from the CA Hydro
>>> network
>>>
>>> The attached graphic show the 2 stations which are very close
to each
>>> other.
>>> In the graphic I labeled one with -A and the
other with -B.
>>>
>>> Can you correct this situation so that each
station has a unique
>>> identifier?
>>>
>>> Let me know if you
need more info.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> R/
>>> John
>>>
>>> Mr
John W. Raby, Meteorologist
>>> U.S. Army Research Laboratory
>>>
White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002
>>> (575) 678-2004 DSN 258-2004
>>> FAX (575) 678-1230 DSN 258-1230
>>> Email:
john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Classification:
UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: Raby, John W USA CIV
Time: Mon Jun 25 08:14:03 2012
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
John -
Thanks for your analysis of the data and observations.
We will check into the reason for processing the "V-DD" string. I
thought that we were not using the direction information from the
observations. Rather, my intent was to solely use the optional output
flag for VL1L2 to compute the error statistics for wind direction from
the observed U and V data when running Stat-Analysis.
On your recommendation regarding the disabling of VL1L2 line type, I
prefer to continue using that option per the reason stated above to
get wind direction error statistics from Stat-Analysis. I am
reconsidering the need for the VAL1L2 line type for vector anomaly
partial sums and also the SAL1L2 line type for scalar anomaly partial
sums since we are not currently analyzing this type of statistic for
lack of climatology data. No need to generate this output until we
have the climo data and the need to use it to generate these types of
statistics.
Regarding your third point, Jeff Passner's comment in his separate
email is on the mark. We need to have a fix for the situation which
results in the incorrect order of the observation lines for GRIB codes
33 and 34. We believe that this is due to the fact that there are data
being reported from two different stations which are using the same
identifier. This is a problem in the data source which we have
addressed separately with the MADIS data expert. It's good to hear
that when you edited the data to reorder it to follow the convention
expected by Point-Stat the problem went away.
We are working on a way to use our case study data from FEB and MAR
2012 which may contain the station or stations which report different
data using the same identifier so that each stations data can be
treated as separate observations. This way the processing will not
place the lines with GRIB codes 33 and 34 in incorrect order, so we
now feel more confident that once this is done the problem in running
Point-Stat will go away.
Thanks for the fix to isolate instances where this incorrect ordering
occurs. We typically use 18 to 24 hours of observation files for a
given model run assessment containing 300 to 500+ observations each
which might contain these problems, so we really need a global fix to
preclude instances like this which have to be handled manually.
R/
John
-----Original Message-----
From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:56 AM
To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US); madis-
support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry C CIV
(US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
John,
A few comments ...
First, in the point observation file (hr1_13Z.txt), I see that you
have GRIB codes of 2, 7, 11, 17, 32, 33, 34, and 52, but you also have
the string "V-DD". When you run that through ascii2nc, that string
gets interpreted as a numerical value of 0. Is there something you
missed here? Did you intend "V-DD" to get converted to some
meaningful GRIB code?
Second, just to make sure you know, you can make that error go away by
disabling the output of the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 line types in the
"output_flag" parameter in the config file.
Third, I ran this data through ascii2nc and point_stat and was able to
reproduce the error you're seeing. After some inspection, I found the
problem occurs when processing the 2526-th observation.
Since you're using ASCII data, that means you should look at line 2526
of the file (hr1_13Z.txt):
2525 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 33
-9999 1700.99 3.484788
2526 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 33
-9999 1716.00 3.485809
2527 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 34
-9999 1700.99 -0.121691
2528 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 34
-9999 1716.00 -0.121727
You see here that we have 33, 33, 34, 34, when we need it to be 33,
34, 33, 34. I tried reordering this data following this required
convention:
ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 33 -9999
1700.99 3.484788 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
1700.99 34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400
34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809 ADPSFC MWSC1
20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 34 -9999 1716.00 -0.121727
After doing this, the error went away and point_stat ran fine. So it
really is just a problem of the order of the observations - not the
fact that they're "duplicates".
However, I realize that the error message from point_stat should have
told you the observation number that was causing the error. So I've
enhanced the error message in the development version to say the
following:
ERROR :
ERROR : process_obs_file() -> for observation number 2526, when
computing VL1L2 and/or VAL1L2 vector winds each UGRD observation must
be followed by a VGRD observation with the same header and at the same
level.
ERROR :
I think knowing the problematic observation number would have helped
isolate the problem more quickly.
Thanks,
John
On 06/21/2012 12:26 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>
> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> John -
>
> Thanks for coming up on the net to offer help. There might be
something you could do from the MET side.
>
> Is there a way that Point-Stat could read the data then ignore
without error the fact that the UGRD data was not followed by the VGRD
data for this particular station and others which might show up later?
The problem Point-Stat sees, at least as far as we can tell, is that
when this stations UGRD and VGRD data is processed to convert it to
the MET specific acsii format, the result is that this station's
report contains 2 lines containing the UGRD data followed by two lines
with the VGRD data, so when Point-Stat reads the data, it sees two
consecutive lines with UGRD in it and errors off with the statement:
“Can’t process vector winds…. a UGRD observation must be followed by a
VGRD observation”. No Point-Stat output is generated when this occurs.
>
> I've attached an example text file (hr1_13Z.txt) which is processed
into the MET specific ascii format. I've also attached another file
(dupStationLog) which shows the duplicate data. Note the order of the
U and V wind component data.
>
> We suspect that this problem occurs only when the particular station
reports UGRD and VGRD. When Point-Stat processes data from other
duplicate stations which do not contain UGRD and VGRD data, it
continues without error. We are conducting testing to see if this is
the case.
>
> The fix for this problem in the data itself will probably have to be
arranged by the MADIS database administration, but their potential fix
may not address past data sets with which we are working for some
important case studies, so it would be nice if there was a patched
version of METV3.1 with a temporary fix to ignore the problem and not
consider that station's UGRD/VGRD data in the vector calculation.
>
> Thanks.
>
> R/
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:02 AM
> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry
C
> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> John,
>
> I see that you sent this as an issue for MET-Help. Is this strictly
an issue in the MADIS data or is there some behavior in Point-Stat
that is not working as you'd expect?
>
> In the upcoming version of MET, METv4.0, point_stat has been
enhanced to detect duplicate point observations using two different
criteria. I believe it would help in this case.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>>
>> Thu Jun 21 09:30:16 2012: Request 57097 was acted upon.
>> Transaction: Ticket created by leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>> Queue: met_help
>> Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations
(UNCLASSIFIED)
>> Owner: Nobody
>> Requestors: leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>> Status: new
>> Ticket <URL:
>> https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097
>>>
>>
>>
>> John Raby,
>>
>> This is a NWSLI sitename. Let me see why the lat/lons are
different.
>>
>> -- Leon
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Raby, John W CIV (US) <
>> john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>>
>>> Leon -
>>>
>>> My colleague Jeff Passner and Bob Flanigan have discovered what
>>> appears to be a conflict in the naming of two different mesonet
>>> surface stations. The stations are located in CA with the same
name
>>> at two different locations and elevations. When we try to run the
>>> Model Evaluation Tool Point-Stat, it sees the conflict in the UGRD
>>> and VGRD data and flags the confusing order of the observation
data
>>> as a problem with missing UGRD or VGRD data. Jeff inspected the
>>> downloaded MADIS files and located the stations as follows:
>>>
>>> MWSC1 elev 1716 m at 34.23210 and -118.0742 from the Mesowest
>>> network
>>> MWSC1 elev 1700.99 m at 34.23080 and -118.0711 from the CA Hydro
>>> network
>>>
>>> The attached graphic show the 2 stations which are very close to
>>> each other.
>>> In the graphic I labeled one with -A and the other with -B.
>>>
>>> Can you correct this situation so that each station has a unique
>>> identifier?
>>>
>>> Let me know if you need more info.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> R/
>>> John
>>>
>>> Mr John W. Raby, Meteorologist
>>> U.S. Army Research Laboratory
>>> White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002
>>> (575) 678-2004 DSN 258-2004
>>> FAX (575) 678-1230 DSN 258-1230
>>> Email: john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: John Halley Gotway
Time: Mon Jun 25 08:46:00 2012
John and Jeffrey,
Hmmm, I'm a bit confused as to why disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 did
*NOT* make the error go away. I realized that I had been testing
using the latest development version of the code. So I switched
to using METv3.1, which I believe you are using. I tested using both
METv3.1 as originally released and METv3.1 with all of the posted
patches. In both cases, I was able to make that error go away
by disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 output types in the configuration
file.
Now I understand that you do *NOT* want to disable them. But I'm
interested in this to make sure there isn't a bug in the code. Would
you be able to send me a small test case that demonstrates this
behavior? I'd need the forecast file, the NetCDF point observation
file, the configuration file, and the command line you're using to
call Point-Stat. If I can replicate the behavior here, I can
figure out how to fix it.
Now, I wasn't suggesting that you correct this problem in the data by
hand. I just wanted to point out to you exactly where in the data the
error was occurring. I believe you could just resort the
input observations before running them through ascii2nc. In fact, the
unix sort command with no additional arguments produces the desired
result:
sort hr1_13Z.txt > hr1_13Z_sort.txt
I'm not sure if that'll do the trick in all cases, but I'm sure you
could figure out a robust way of resorting them.
Hope that helps.
John
On 06/25/2012 08:14 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>
> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> John -
>
> Thanks for your analysis of the data and observations.
>
> We will check into the reason for processing the "V-DD" string. I
thought that we were not using the direction information from the
observations. Rather, my intent was to solely use the optional output
flag for VL1L2 to compute the error statistics for wind direction from
the observed U and V data when running Stat-Analysis.
>
> On your recommendation regarding the disabling of VL1L2 line type, I
prefer to continue using that option per the reason stated above to
get wind direction error statistics from Stat-Analysis. I am
reconsidering the need for the VAL1L2 line type for vector anomaly
partial sums and also the SAL1L2 line type for scalar anomaly partial
sums since we are not currently analyzing this type of statistic for
lack of climatology data. No need to generate this output until we
have the climo data and the need to use it to generate these types of
statistics.
>
> Regarding your third point, Jeff Passner's comment in his separate
email is on the mark. We need to have a fix for the situation which
results in the incorrect order of the observation lines for GRIB codes
33 and 34. We believe that this is due to the fact that there are data
being reported from two different stations which are using the same
identifier. This is a problem in the data source which we have
addressed separately with the MADIS data expert. It's good to hear
that when you edited the data to reorder it to follow the convention
expected by Point-Stat the problem went away.
>
> We are working on a way to use our case study data from FEB and MAR
2012 which may contain the station or stations which report different
data using the same identifier so that each stations data can be
treated as separate observations. This way the processing will not
place the lines with GRIB codes 33 and 34 in incorrect order, so we
now feel more confident that once this is done the problem in running
Point-Stat will go away.
>
> Thanks for the fix to isolate instances where this incorrect
ordering occurs. We typically use 18 to 24 hours of observation files
for a given model run assessment containing 300 to 500+ observations
each which might contain these problems, so we really need a global
fix to preclude instances like this which have to be handled manually.
>
> R/
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:56 AM
> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US); madis-
support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry C CIV
(US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> John,
>
> A few comments ...
>
> First, in the point observation file (hr1_13Z.txt), I see that you
have GRIB codes of 2, 7, 11, 17, 32, 33, 34, and 52, but you also have
the string "V-DD". When you run that through ascii2nc, that string
gets interpreted as a numerical value of 0. Is there something you
missed here? Did you intend "V-DD" to get converted to some
meaningful GRIB code?
>
> Second, just to make sure you know, you can make that error go away
by disabling the output of the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 line types in the
"output_flag" parameter in the config file.
>
> Third, I ran this data through ascii2nc and point_stat and was able
to reproduce the error you're seeing. After some inspection, I found
the problem occurs when processing the 2526-th observation.
> Since you're using ASCII data, that means you should look at line
2526 of the file (hr1_13Z.txt):
>
> 2525 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 33
-9999 1700.99 3.484788
> 2526 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 33
-9999 1716.00 3.485809
> 2527 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 34
-9999 1700.99 -0.121691
> 2528 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 34
-9999 1716.00 -0.121727
>
> You see here that we have 33, 33, 34, 34, when we need it to be 33,
34, 33, 34. I tried reordering this data following this required
convention:
>
> ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 33 -9999
1700.99 3.484788 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
1700.99 34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400
34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809 ADPSFC MWSC1
20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 34 -9999 1716.00 -0.121727
>
> After doing this, the error went away and point_stat ran fine. So
it really is just a problem of the order of the observations - not the
fact that they're "duplicates".
>
> However, I realize that the error message from point_stat should
have told you the observation number that was causing the error. So
I've enhanced the error message in the development version to say the
following:
>
> ERROR :
> ERROR : process_obs_file() -> for observation number 2526, when
computing VL1L2 and/or VAL1L2 vector winds each UGRD observation must
be followed by a VGRD observation with the same header and at the same
level.
> ERROR :
>
> I think knowing the problematic observation number would have helped
isolate the problem more quickly.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> On 06/21/2012 12:26 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>
>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>> John -
>>
>> Thanks for coming up on the net to offer help. There might be
something you could do from the MET side.
>>
>> Is there a way that Point-Stat could read the data then ignore
without error the fact that the UGRD data was not followed by the VGRD
data for this particular station and others which might show up later?
The problem Point-Stat sees, at least as far as we can tell, is that
when this stations UGRD and VGRD data is processed to convert it to
the MET specific acsii format, the result is that this station's
report contains 2 lines containing the UGRD data followed by two lines
with the VGRD data, so when Point-Stat reads the data, it sees two
consecutive lines with UGRD in it and errors off with the statement:
“Can’t process vector winds…. a UGRD observation must be followed by a
VGRD observation”. No Point-Stat output is generated when this occurs.
>>
>> I've attached an example text file (hr1_13Z.txt) which is processed
into the MET specific ascii format. I've also attached another file
(dupStationLog) which shows the duplicate data. Note the order of the
U and V wind component data.
>>
>> We suspect that this problem occurs only when the particular
station reports UGRD and VGRD. When Point-Stat processes data from
other duplicate stations which do not contain UGRD and VGRD data, it
continues without error. We are conducting testing to see if this is
the case.
>>
>> The fix for this problem in the data itself will probably have to
be arranged by the MADIS database administration, but their potential
fix may not address past data sets with which we are working for some
important case studies, so it would be nice if there was a patched
version of METV3.1 with a temporary fix to ignore the problem and not
consider that station's UGRD/VGRD data in the vector calculation.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> R/
>> John
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:02 AM
>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry
C
>> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
>> John,
>>
>> I see that you sent this as an issue for MET-Help. Is this
strictly an issue in the MADIS data or is there some behavior in
Point-Stat that is not working as you'd expect?
>>
>> In the upcoming version of MET, METv4.0, point_stat has been
enhanced to detect duplicate point observations using two different
criteria. I believe it would help in this case.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>
>>>
>>> Thu Jun 21 09:30:16 2012: Request 57097 was acted upon.
>>> Transaction: Ticket created by leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>> Queue: met_help
>>> Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations
(UNCLASSIFIED)
>>> Owner: Nobody
>>> Requestors: leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>> Status: new
>>> Ticket <URL:
>>> https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Raby,
>>>
>>> This is a NWSLI sitename. Let me see why the lat/lons are
different.
>>>
>>> -- Leon
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Raby, John W CIV (US) <
>>> john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Leon -
>>>>
>>>> My colleague Jeff Passner and Bob Flanigan have discovered what
>>>> appears to be a conflict in the naming of two different mesonet
>>>> surface stations. The stations are located in CA with the same
name
>>>> at two different locations and elevations. When we try to run the
>>>> Model Evaluation Tool Point-Stat, it sees the conflict in the
UGRD
>>>> and VGRD data and flags the confusing order of the observation
data
>>>> as a problem with missing UGRD or VGRD data. Jeff inspected the
>>>> downloaded MADIS files and located the stations as follows:
>>>>
>>>> MWSC1 elev 1716 m at 34.23210 and -118.0742 from the Mesowest
>>>> network
>>>> MWSC1 elev 1700.99 m at 34.23080 and -118.0711 from the CA Hydro
>>>> network
>>>>
>>>> The attached graphic show the 2 stations which are very close to
>>>> each other.
>>>> In the graphic I labeled one with -A and the other with -B.
>>>>
>>>> Can you correct this situation so that each station has a unique
>>>> identifier?
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if you need more info.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> R/
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> Mr John W. Raby, Meteorologist
>>>> U.S. Army Research Laboratory
>>>> White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002
>>>> (575) 678-2004 DSN 258-2004
>>>> FAX (575) 678-1230 DSN 258-1230
>>>> Email: john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------
Subject: RE: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: Raby, John W USA CIV
Time: Mon Jun 25 09:16:04 2012
John -
To be specific about which of the settings we want to use, we need to
continue using VL1L2 so we can compute wind direction error statistics
from U and V data with Stat-Analysis. We don't want to use VAL1L2 and
SAL1L2 since we don;t use climo data in our assessments.
I'll get with Jeff about putting together the test data, but this may
take more time.
Thanks for your idea about resorting the data prior to ascii2nc. I'll
have to give that a try, but this is an interesting approach since it
can be done after we download/process the data prior to running
ascii2nc.
________________________________________
From: John Halley Gotway via RT [met_help at ucar.edu]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:46 AM
To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US); madis-
support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry C CIV
(US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
John and Jeffrey,
Hmmm, I'm a bit confused as to why disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 did
*NOT* make the error go away. I realized that I had been testing
using the latest development version of the code. So I switched
to using METv3.1, which I believe you are using. I tested using both
METv3.1 as originally released and METv3.1 with all of the posted
patches. In both cases, I was able to make that error go away
by disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 output types in the configuration
file.
Now I understand that you do *NOT* want to disable them. But I'm
interested in this to make sure there isn't a bug in the code. Would
you be able to send me a small test case that demonstrates this
behavior? I'd need the forecast file, the NetCDF point observation
file, the configuration file, and the command line you're using to
call Point-Stat. If I can replicate the behavior here, I can
figure out how to fix it.
Now, I wasn't suggesting that you correct this problem in the data by
hand. I just wanted to point out to you exactly where in the data the
error was occurring. I believe you could just resort the
input observations before running them through ascii2nc. In fact, the
unix sort command with no additional arguments produces the desired
result:
sort hr1_13Z.txt > hr1_13Z_sort.txt
I'm not sure if that'll do the trick in all cases, but I'm sure you
could figure out a robust way of resorting them.
Hope that helps.
John
On 06/25/2012 08:14 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>
> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> John -
>
> Thanks for your analysis of the data and observations.
>
> We will check into the reason for processing the "V-DD" string. I
thought that we were not using the direction information from the
observations. Rather, my intent was to solely use the optional output
flag for VL1L2 to compute the error statistics for wind direction from
the observed U and V data when running Stat-Analysis.
>
> On your recommendation regarding the disabling of VL1L2 line type, I
prefer to continue using that option per the reason stated above to
get wind direction error statistics from Stat-Analysis. I am
reconsidering the need for the VAL1L2 line type for vector anomaly
partial sums and also the SAL1L2 line type for scalar anomaly partial
sums since we are not currently analyzing this type of statistic for
lack of climatology data. No need to generate this output until we
have the climo data and the need to use it to generate these types of
statistics.
>
> Regarding your third point, Jeff Passner's comment in his separate
email is on the mark. We need to have a fix for the situation which
results in the incorrect order of the observation lines for GRIB codes
33 and 34. We believe that this is due to the fact that there are data
being reported from two different stations which are using the same
identifier. This is a problem in the data source which we have
addressed separately with the MADIS data expert. It's good to hear
that when you edited the data to reorder it to follow the convention
expected by Point-Stat the problem went away.
>
> We are working on a way to use our case study data from FEB and MAR
2012 which may contain the station or stations which report different
data using the same identifier so that each stations data can be
treated as separate observations. This way the processing will not
place the lines with GRIB codes 33 and 34 in incorrect order, so we
now feel more confident that once this is done the problem in running
Point-Stat will go away.
>
> Thanks for the fix to isolate instances where this incorrect
ordering occurs. We typically use 18 to 24 hours of observation files
for a given model run assessment containing 300 to 500+ observations
each which might contain these problems, so we really need a global
fix to preclude instances like this which have to be handled manually.
>
> R/
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:56 AM
> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US); madis-
support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry C CIV
(US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> John,
>
> A few comments ...
>
> First, in the point observation file (hr1_13Z.txt), I see that you
have GRIB codes of 2, 7, 11, 17, 32, 33, 34, and 52, but you also have
the string "V-DD". When you run that through ascii2nc, that string
gets interpreted as a numerical value of 0. Is there something you
missed here? Did you intend "V-DD" to get converted to some
meaningful GRIB code?
>
> Second, just to make sure you know, you can make that error go away
by disabling the output of the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 line types in the
"output_flag" parameter in the config file.
>
> Third, I ran this data through ascii2nc and point_stat and was able
to reproduce the error you're seeing. After some inspection, I found
the problem occurs when processing the 2526-th observation.
> Since you're using ASCII data, that means you should look at line
2526 of the file (hr1_13Z.txt):
>
> 2525 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 33
-9999 1700.99 3.484788
> 2526 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 33
-9999 1716.00 3.485809
> 2527 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 34
-9999 1700.99 -0.121691
> 2528 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 34
-9999 1716.00 -0.121727
>
> You see here that we have 33, 33, 34, 34, when we need it to be 33,
34, 33, 34. I tried reordering this data following this required
convention:
>
> ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 33 -9999
1700.99 3.484788 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
1700.99 34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400
34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809 ADPSFC MWSC1
20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 34 -9999 1716.00 -0.121727
>
> After doing this, the error went away and point_stat ran fine. So
it really is just a problem of the order of the observations - not the
fact that they're "duplicates".
>
> However, I realize that the error message from point_stat should
have told you the observation number that was causing the error. So
I've enhanced the error message in the development version to say the
following:
>
> ERROR :
> ERROR : process_obs_file() -> for observation number 2526, when
computing VL1L2 and/or VAL1L2 vector winds each UGRD observation must
be followed by a VGRD observation with the same header and at the same
level.
> ERROR :
>
> I think knowing the problematic observation number would have helped
isolate the problem more quickly.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> On 06/21/2012 12:26 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>
>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>> John -
>>
>> Thanks for coming up on the net to offer help. There might be
something you could do from the MET side.
>>
>> Is there a way that Point-Stat could read the data then ignore
without error the fact that the UGRD data was not followed by the VGRD
data for this particular station and others which might show up later?
The problem Point-Stat sees, at least as far as we can tell, is that
when this stations UGRD and VGRD data is processed to convert it to
the MET specific acsii format, the result is that this station's
report contains 2 lines containing the UGRD data followed by two lines
with the VGRD data, so when Point-Stat reads the data, it sees two
consecutive lines with UGRD in it and errors off with the statement:
“Can’t process vector winds…. a UGRD observation must be followed by a
VGRD observation”. No Point-Stat output is generated when this occurs.
>>
>> I've attached an example text file (hr1_13Z.txt) which is processed
into the MET specific ascii format. I've also attached another file
(dupStationLog) which shows the duplicate data. Note the order of the
U and V wind component data.
>>
>> We suspect that this problem occurs only when the particular
station reports UGRD and VGRD. When Point-Stat processes data from
other duplicate stations which do not contain UGRD and VGRD data, it
continues without error. We are conducting testing to see if this is
the case.
>>
>> The fix for this problem in the data itself will probably have to
be arranged by the MADIS database administration, but their potential
fix may not address past data sets with which we are working for some
important case studies, so it would be nice if there was a patched
version of METV3.1 with a temporary fix to ignore the problem and not
consider that station's UGRD/VGRD data in the vector calculation.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> R/
>> John
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:02 AM
>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry
C
>> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
>> John,
>>
>> I see that you sent this as an issue for MET-Help. Is this
strictly an issue in the MADIS data or is there some behavior in
Point-Stat that is not working as you'd expect?
>>
>> In the upcoming version of MET, METv4.0, point_stat has been
enhanced to detect duplicate point observations using two different
criteria. I believe it would help in this case.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>
>>>
>>> Thu Jun 21 09:30:16 2012: Request 57097 was acted upon.
>>> Transaction: Ticket created by leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>> Queue: met_help
>>> Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations
(UNCLASSIFIED)
>>> Owner: Nobody
>>> Requestors: leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>> Status: new
>>> Ticket <URL:
>>> https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Raby,
>>>
>>> This is a NWSLI sitename. Let me see why the lat/lons are
different.
>>>
>>> -- Leon
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Raby, John W CIV (US) <
>>> john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Leon -
>>>>
>>>> My colleague Jeff Passner and Bob Flanigan have discovered what
>>>> appears to be a conflict in the naming of two different mesonet
>>>> surface stations. The stations are located in CA with the same
name
>>>> at two different locations and elevations. When we try to run the
>>>> Model Evaluation Tool Point-Stat, it sees the conflict in the
UGRD
>>>> and VGRD data and flags the confusing order of the observation
data
>>>> as a problem with missing UGRD or VGRD data. Jeff inspected the
>>>> downloaded MADIS files and located the stations as follows:
>>>>
>>>> MWSC1 elev 1716 m at 34.23210 and -118.0742 from the Mesowest
>>>> network
>>>> MWSC1 elev 1700.99 m at 34.23080 and -118.0711 from the CA Hydro
>>>> network
>>>>
>>>> The attached graphic show the 2 stations which are very close to
>>>> each other.
>>>> In the graphic I labeled one with -A and the other with -B.
>>>>
>>>> Can you correct this situation so that each station has a unique
>>>> identifier?
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if you need more info.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> R/
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> Mr John W. Raby, Meteorologist
>>>> U.S. Army Research Laboratory
>>>> White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002
>>>> (575) 678-2004 DSN 258-2004
>>>> FAX (575) 678-1230 DSN 258-1230
>>>> Email: john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: Raby, John W USA CIV
Time: Mon Jun 25 10:54:18 2012
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
John -
On the unix resorting, the way you did it below, will the stations be
ordered by Lat/Long? Does Point-Stat care if there are two stations
with the same identifier as long as the data is for distinct Lat/Long
locations? What happens if there are two stations with the same
Lat/Long?
R/
John
-----Original Message-----
From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:46 AM
To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US); madis-
support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry C CIV
(US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
John and Jeffrey,
Hmmm, I'm a bit confused as to why disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 did
*NOT* make the error go away. I realized that I had been testing
using the latest development version of the code. So I switched to
using METv3.1, which I believe you are using. I tested using both
METv3.1 as originally released and METv3.1 with all of the posted
patches. In both cases, I was able to make that error go away by
disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 output types in the configuration file.
Now I understand that you do *NOT* want to disable them. But I'm
interested in this to make sure there isn't a bug in the code. Would
you be able to send me a small test case that demonstrates this
behavior? I'd need the forecast file, the NetCDF point observation
file, the configuration file, and the command line you're using to
call Point-Stat. If I can replicate the behavior here, I can figure
out how to fix it.
Now, I wasn't suggesting that you correct this problem in the data by
hand. I just wanted to point out to you exactly where in the data the
error was occurring. I believe you could just resort the input
observations before running them through ascii2nc. In fact, the unix
sort command with no additional arguments produces the desired result:
sort hr1_13Z.txt > hr1_13Z_sort.txt
I'm not sure if that'll do the trick in all cases, but I'm sure you
could figure out a robust way of resorting them.
Hope that helps.
John
On 06/25/2012 08:14 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>
> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> John -
>
> Thanks for your analysis of the data and observations.
>
> We will check into the reason for processing the "V-DD" string. I
thought that we were not using the direction information from the
observations. Rather, my intent was to solely use the optional output
flag for VL1L2 to compute the error statistics for wind direction from
the observed U and V data when running Stat-Analysis.
>
> On your recommendation regarding the disabling of VL1L2 line type, I
prefer to continue using that option per the reason stated above to
get wind direction error statistics from Stat-Analysis. I am
reconsidering the need for the VAL1L2 line type for vector anomaly
partial sums and also the SAL1L2 line type for scalar anomaly partial
sums since we are not currently analyzing this type of statistic for
lack of climatology data. No need to generate this output until we
have the climo data and the need to use it to generate these types of
statistics.
>
> Regarding your third point, Jeff Passner's comment in his separate
email is on the mark. We need to have a fix for the situation which
results in the incorrect order of the observation lines for GRIB codes
33 and 34. We believe that this is due to the fact that there are data
being reported from two different stations which are using the same
identifier. This is a problem in the data source which we have
addressed separately with the MADIS data expert. It's good to hear
that when you edited the data to reorder it to follow the convention
expected by Point-Stat the problem went away.
>
> We are working on a way to use our case study data from FEB and MAR
2012 which may contain the station or stations which report different
data using the same identifier so that each stations data can be
treated as separate observations. This way the processing will not
place the lines with GRIB codes 33 and 34 in incorrect order, so we
now feel more confident that once this is done the problem in running
Point-Stat will go away.
>
> Thanks for the fix to isolate instances where this incorrect
ordering occurs. We typically use 18 to 24 hours of observation files
for a given model run assessment containing 300 to 500+ observations
each which might contain these problems, so we really need a global
fix to preclude instances like this which have to be handled manually.
>
> R/
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:56 AM
> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry
C
> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> John,
>
> A few comments ...
>
> First, in the point observation file (hr1_13Z.txt), I see that you
have GRIB codes of 2, 7, 11, 17, 32, 33, 34, and 52, but you also have
the string "V-DD". When you run that through ascii2nc, that string
gets interpreted as a numerical value of 0. Is there something you
missed here? Did you intend "V-DD" to get converted to some
meaningful GRIB code?
>
> Second, just to make sure you know, you can make that error go away
by disabling the output of the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 line types in the
"output_flag" parameter in the config file.
>
> Third, I ran this data through ascii2nc and point_stat and was able
to reproduce the error you're seeing. After some inspection, I found
the problem occurs when processing the 2526-th observation.
> Since you're using ASCII data, that means you should look at line
2526 of the file (hr1_13Z.txt):
>
> 2525 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 33
-9999 1700.99 3.484788
> 2526 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 33
-9999 1716.00 3.485809
> 2527 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 34
-9999 1700.99 -0.121691
> 2528 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 34
> -9999 1716.00 -0.121727
>
> You see here that we have 33, 33, 34, 34, when we need it to be 33,
34, 33, 34. I tried reordering this data following this required
convention:
>
> ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 33 -9999
> 1700.99 3.484788 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
> 1700.99 34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400
> 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809 ADPSFC MWSC1
> 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 34 -9999 1716.00
-0.121727
>
> After doing this, the error went away and point_stat ran fine. So
it really is just a problem of the order of the observations - not the
fact that they're "duplicates".
>
> However, I realize that the error message from point_stat should
have told you the observation number that was causing the error. So
I've enhanced the error message in the development version to say the
following:
>
> ERROR :
> ERROR : process_obs_file() -> for observation number 2526, when
computing VL1L2 and/or VAL1L2 vector winds each UGRD observation must
be followed by a VGRD observation with the same header and at the same
level.
> ERROR :
>
> I think knowing the problematic observation number would have helped
isolate the problem more quickly.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> On 06/21/2012 12:26 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>
>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>> John -
>>
>> Thanks for coming up on the net to offer help. There might be
something you could do from the MET side.
>>
>> Is there a way that Point-Stat could read the data then ignore
without error the fact that the UGRD data was not followed by the VGRD
data for this particular station and others which might show up later?
The problem Point-Stat sees, at least as far as we can tell, is that
when this stations UGRD and VGRD data is processed to convert it to
the MET specific acsii format, the result is that this station's
report contains 2 lines containing the UGRD data followed by two lines
with the VGRD data, so when Point-Stat reads the data, it sees two
consecutive lines with UGRD in it and errors off with the statement:
“Can’t process vector winds…. a UGRD observation must be followed by a
VGRD observation”. No Point-Stat output is generated when this occurs.
>>
>> I've attached an example text file (hr1_13Z.txt) which is processed
into the MET specific ascii format. I've also attached another file
(dupStationLog) which shows the duplicate data. Note the order of the
U and V wind component data.
>>
>> We suspect that this problem occurs only when the particular
station reports UGRD and VGRD. When Point-Stat processes data from
other duplicate stations which do not contain UGRD and VGRD data, it
continues without error. We are conducting testing to see if this is
the case.
>>
>> The fix for this problem in the data itself will probably have to
be arranged by the MADIS database administration, but their potential
fix may not address past data sets with which we are working for some
important case studies, so it would be nice if there was a patched
version of METV3.1 with a temporary fix to ignore the problem and not
consider that station's UGRD/VGRD data in the vector calculation.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> R/
>> John
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:02 AM
>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry
C
>> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
>> John,
>>
>> I see that you sent this as an issue for MET-Help. Is this
strictly an issue in the MADIS data or is there some behavior in
Point-Stat that is not working as you'd expect?
>>
>> In the upcoming version of MET, METv4.0, point_stat has been
enhanced to detect duplicate point observations using two different
criteria. I believe it would help in this case.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>
>>>
>>> Thu Jun 21 09:30:16 2012: Request 57097 was acted upon.
>>> Transaction: Ticket created by leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>> Queue: met_help
>>> Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations
(UNCLASSIFIED)
>>> Owner: Nobody
>>> Requestors: leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>> Status: new
>>> Ticket <URL:
>>> https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Raby,
>>>
>>> This is a NWSLI sitename. Let me see why the lat/lons are
different.
>>>
>>> -- Leon
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Raby, John W CIV (US) <
>>> john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Leon -
>>>>
>>>> My colleague Jeff Passner and Bob Flanigan have discovered what
>>>> appears to be a conflict in the naming of two different mesonet
>>>> surface stations. The stations are located in CA with the same
name
>>>> at two different locations and elevations. When we try to run the
>>>> Model Evaluation Tool Point-Stat, it sees the conflict in the
UGRD
>>>> and VGRD data and flags the confusing order of the observation
data
>>>> as a problem with missing UGRD or VGRD data. Jeff inspected the
>>>> downloaded MADIS files and located the stations as follows:
>>>>
>>>> MWSC1 elev 1716 m at 34.23210 and -118.0742 from the Mesowest
>>>> network
>>>> MWSC1 elev 1700.99 m at 34.23080 and -118.0711 from the CA Hydro
>>>> network
>>>>
>>>> The attached graphic show the 2 stations which are very close to
>>>> each other.
>>>> In the graphic I labeled one with -A and the other with -B.
>>>>
>>>> Can you correct this situation so that each station has a unique
>>>> identifier?
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if you need more info.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> R/
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> Mr John W. Raby, Meteorologist
>>>> U.S. Army Research Laboratory
>>>> White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002
>>>> (575) 678-2004 DSN 258-2004
>>>> FAX (575) 678-1230 DSN 258-1230
>>>> Email: john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: John Halley Gotway
Time: Mon Jun 25 11:36:51 2012
John,
Running the "sort" command with no options will just sort the data
alphabetically from the beginning of the line to the end. If all of
the columns prior to lat/lon are identical, then it will sort by
lat/lon. The "sort" command has many command line options to control
how the sort is performed, including which field(s) are sorted (-k)
and whether it's a numeric sort (-n). I'd suggest reading up
on "sort" and playing around with it to get it to do exactly what you
want.
In METv3.1, Point-Stat is not enforcing any uniqueness criteria for
the station id names or lat/lon locations. In fact Point-Stat often
uses "duplicate" observations in a single run when the time
window for the observations is set wide enough that it includes
multiple observation reports from the same station.
However, we have enhanced Point-Stat in METv4.0 (which we should be
releasing later today) to apply some filtering logic when it
encounters duplicate observations. A description for the
"duplicate_flag" options is listed below.
John
//
// The "duplicate_flag" entry specifies how to handle duplicate point
// observations in Point-Stat and Ensemble-Stat. Three techniques are
// currently supported:
//
// - "NONE" to use all point observations (legacy behavior)
// - "UNIQUE" if two or more observations match identically except
in the
// station ID field, only use a single observation
// - "SINGLE" if two or more observations appear at a single
location
// (lat, lon, level, elv), use only the observation that has the
valid
// time closest to the forecast valid time
//
// The reporting mechanism for this feature can be activated by
specifying
// a verbosity level of three or higher. The report will show
information
// about where duplicates were detected and which observations were
used
// in those cases.
//
duplicate_flag = NONE;
On 06/25/2012 10:54 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>
> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> John -
>
> On the unix resorting, the way you did it below, will the stations
be ordered by Lat/Long? Does Point-Stat care if there are two stations
with the same identifier as long as the data is for distinct Lat/Long
locations? What happens if there are two stations with the same
Lat/Long?
>
> R/
> John
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:46 AM
> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US); madis-
support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry C CIV
(US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> John and Jeffrey,
>
> Hmmm, I'm a bit confused as to why disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2
did *NOT* make the error go away. I realized that I had been testing
using the latest development version of the code. So I switched to
using METv3.1, which I believe you are using. I tested using both
METv3.1 as originally released and METv3.1 with all of the posted
patches. In both cases, I was able to make that error go away by
disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 output types in the configuration file.
>
> Now I understand that you do *NOT* want to disable them. But I'm
interested in this to make sure there isn't a bug in the code. Would
you be able to send me a small test case that demonstrates this
behavior? I'd need the forecast file, the NetCDF point observation
file, the configuration file, and the command line you're using to
call Point-Stat. If I can replicate the behavior here, I can figure
out how to fix it.
>
> Now, I wasn't suggesting that you correct this problem in the data
by hand. I just wanted to point out to you exactly where in the data
the error was occurring. I believe you could just resort the input
observations before running them through ascii2nc. In fact, the unix
sort command with no additional arguments produces the desired result:
> sort hr1_13Z.txt > hr1_13Z_sort.txt
>
> I'm not sure if that'll do the trick in all cases, but I'm sure you
could figure out a robust way of resorting them.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> John
>
>
> On 06/25/2012 08:14 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>
>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>> John -
>>
>> Thanks for your analysis of the data and observations.
>>
>> We will check into the reason for processing the "V-DD" string. I
thought that we were not using the direction information from the
observations. Rather, my intent was to solely use the optional output
flag for VL1L2 to compute the error statistics for wind direction from
the observed U and V data when running Stat-Analysis.
>>
>> On your recommendation regarding the disabling of VL1L2 line type,
I prefer to continue using that option per the reason stated above to
get wind direction error statistics from Stat-Analysis. I am
reconsidering the need for the VAL1L2 line type for vector anomaly
partial sums and also the SAL1L2 line type for scalar anomaly partial
sums since we are not currently analyzing this type of statistic for
lack of climatology data. No need to generate this output until we
have the climo data and the need to use it to generate these types of
statistics.
>>
>> Regarding your third point, Jeff Passner's comment in his separate
email is on the mark. We need to have a fix for the situation which
results in the incorrect order of the observation lines for GRIB codes
33 and 34. We believe that this is due to the fact that there are data
being reported from two different stations which are using the same
identifier. This is a problem in the data source which we have
addressed separately with the MADIS data expert. It's good to hear
that when you edited the data to reorder it to follow the convention
expected by Point-Stat the problem went away.
>>
>> We are working on a way to use our case study data from FEB and MAR
2012 which may contain the station or stations which report different
data using the same identifier so that each stations data can be
treated as separate observations. This way the processing will not
place the lines with GRIB codes 33 and 34 in incorrect order, so we
now feel more confident that once this is done the problem in running
Point-Stat will go away.
>>
>> Thanks for the fix to isolate instances where this incorrect
ordering occurs. We typically use 18 to 24 hours of observation files
for a given model run assessment containing 300 to 500+ observations
each which might contain these problems, so we really need a global
fix to preclude instances like this which have to be handled manually.
>>
>> R/
>> John
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:56 AM
>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry
C
>> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
>> John,
>>
>> A few comments ...
>>
>> First, in the point observation file (hr1_13Z.txt), I see that you
have GRIB codes of 2, 7, 11, 17, 32, 33, 34, and 52, but you also have
the string "V-DD". When you run that through ascii2nc, that string
gets interpreted as a numerical value of 0. Is there something you
missed here? Did you intend "V-DD" to get converted to some
meaningful GRIB code?
>>
>> Second, just to make sure you know, you can make that error go away
by disabling the output of the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 line types in the
"output_flag" parameter in the config file.
>>
>> Third, I ran this data through ascii2nc and point_stat and was able
to reproduce the error you're seeing. After some inspection, I found
the problem occurs when processing the 2526-th observation.
>> Since you're using ASCII data, that means you should look at line
2526 of the file (hr1_13Z.txt):
>>
>> 2525 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99
33 -9999 1700.99 3.484788
>> 2526 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00
33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809
>> 2527 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99
34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691
>> 2528 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00
34
>> -9999 1716.00 -0.121727
>>
>> You see here that we have 33, 33, 34, 34, when we need it to be 33,
34, 33, 34. I tried reordering this data following this required
convention:
>>
>> ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 33 -9999
>> 1700.99 3.484788 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
>> 1700.99 34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400
>> 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809 ADPSFC MWSC1
>> 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 34 -9999 1716.00
-0.121727
>>
>> After doing this, the error went away and point_stat ran fine. So
it really is just a problem of the order of the observations - not the
fact that they're "duplicates".
>>
>> However, I realize that the error message from point_stat should
have told you the observation number that was causing the error. So
I've enhanced the error message in the development version to say the
following:
>>
>> ERROR :
>> ERROR : process_obs_file() -> for observation number 2526, when
computing VL1L2 and/or VAL1L2 vector winds each UGRD observation must
be followed by a VGRD observation with the same header and at the same
level.
>> ERROR :
>>
>> I think knowing the problematic observation number would have
helped isolate the problem more quickly.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>
>> On 06/21/2012 12:26 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>
>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>> John -
>>>
>>> Thanks for coming up on the net to offer help. There might be
something you could do from the MET side.
>>>
>>> Is there a way that Point-Stat could read the data then ignore
without error the fact that the UGRD data was not followed by the VGRD
data for this particular station and others which might show up later?
The problem Point-Stat sees, at least as far as we can tell, is that
when this stations UGRD and VGRD data is processed to convert it to
the MET specific acsii format, the result is that this station's
report contains 2 lines containing the UGRD data followed by two lines
with the VGRD data, so when Point-Stat reads the data, it sees two
consecutive lines with UGRD in it and errors off with the statement:
“Can’t process vector winds…. a UGRD observation must be followed by a
VGRD observation”. No Point-Stat output is generated when this occurs.
>>>
>>> I've attached an example text file (hr1_13Z.txt) which is
processed into the MET specific ascii format. I've also attached
another file (dupStationLog) which shows the duplicate data. Note the
order of the U and V wind component data.
>>>
>>> We suspect that this problem occurs only when the particular
station reports UGRD and VGRD. When Point-Stat processes data from
other duplicate stations which do not contain UGRD and VGRD data, it
continues without error. We are conducting testing to see if this is
the case.
>>>
>>> The fix for this problem in the data itself will probably have to
be arranged by the MADIS database administration, but their potential
fix may not address past data sets with which we are working for some
important case studies, so it would be nice if there was a patched
version of METV3.1 with a temporary fix to ignore the problem and not
consider that station's UGRD/VGRD data in the vector calculation.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> R/
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:02 AM
>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson,
Terry C
>>> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> I see that you sent this as an issue for MET-Help. Is this
strictly an issue in the MADIS data or is there some behavior in
Point-Stat that is not working as you'd expect?
>>>
>>> In the upcoming version of MET, METv4.0, point_stat has been
enhanced to detect duplicate point observations using two different
criteria. I believe it would help in this case.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thu Jun 21 09:30:16 2012: Request 57097 was acted upon.
>>>> Transaction: Ticket created by leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>>> Queue: met_help
>>>> Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations
(UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>> Owner: Nobody
>>>> Requestors: leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>>> Status: new
>>>> Ticket <URL:
>>>> https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John Raby,
>>>>
>>>> This is a NWSLI sitename. Let me see why the lat/lons are
different.
>>>>
>>>> -- Leon
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Raby, John W CIV (US) <
>>>> john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Leon -
>>>>>
>>>>> My colleague Jeff Passner and Bob Flanigan have discovered what
>>>>> appears to be a conflict in the naming of two different mesonet
>>>>> surface stations. The stations are located in CA with the same
name
>>>>> at two different locations and elevations. When we try to run
the
>>>>> Model Evaluation Tool Point-Stat, it sees the conflict in the
UGRD
>>>>> and VGRD data and flags the confusing order of the observation
data
>>>>> as a problem with missing UGRD or VGRD data. Jeff inspected the
>>>>> downloaded MADIS files and located the stations as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> MWSC1 elev 1716 m at 34.23210 and -118.0742 from the Mesowest
>>>>> network
>>>>> MWSC1 elev 1700.99 m at 34.23080 and -118.0711 from the CA Hydro
>>>>> network
>>>>>
>>>>> The attached graphic show the 2 stations which are very close to
>>>>> each other.
>>>>> In the graphic I labeled one with -A and the other with -B.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you correct this situation so that each station has a unique
>>>>> identifier?
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if you need more info.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> R/
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr John W. Raby, Meteorologist
>>>>> U.S. Army Research Laboratory
>>>>> White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002
>>>>> (575) 678-2004 DSN 258-2004
>>>>> FAX (575) 678-1230 DSN 258-1230
>>>>> Email: john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------
Subject: RE: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: Raby, John W USA CIV
Time: Mon Jun 25 12:47:40 2012
John -
Do you have instructions for uploading data? I have the files you
requested to be able to replicate the error, but the forecast file is
about 73 mb.
Thanks.
R/
John
________________________________________
From: John Halley Gotway via RT [met_help at ucar.edu]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:36 AM
To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US); madis-
support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry C CIV
(US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
John,
Running the "sort" command with no options will just sort the data
alphabetically from the beginning of the line to the end. If all of
the columns prior to lat/lon are identical, then it will sort by
lat/lon. The "sort" command has many command line options to control
how the sort is performed, including which field(s) are sorted (-k)
and whether it's a numeric sort (-n). I'd suggest reading up
on "sort" and playing around with it to get it to do exactly what you
want.
In METv3.1, Point-Stat is not enforcing any uniqueness criteria for
the station id names or lat/lon locations. In fact Point-Stat often
uses "duplicate" observations in a single run when the time
window for the observations is set wide enough that it includes
multiple observation reports from the same station.
However, we have enhanced Point-Stat in METv4.0 (which we should be
releasing later today) to apply some filtering logic when it
encounters duplicate observations. A description for the
"duplicate_flag" options is listed below.
John
//
// The "duplicate_flag" entry specifies how to handle duplicate point
// observations in Point-Stat and Ensemble-Stat. Three techniques are
// currently supported:
//
// - "NONE" to use all point observations (legacy behavior)
// - "UNIQUE" if two or more observations match identically except
in the
// station ID field, only use a single observation
// - "SINGLE" if two or more observations appear at a single
location
// (lat, lon, level, elv), use only the observation that has the
valid
// time closest to the forecast valid time
//
// The reporting mechanism for this feature can be activated by
specifying
// a verbosity level of three or higher. The report will show
information
// about where duplicates were detected and which observations were
used
// in those cases.
//
duplicate_flag = NONE;
On 06/25/2012 10:54 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>
> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> John -
>
> On the unix resorting, the way you did it below, will the stations
be ordered by Lat/Long? Does Point-Stat care if there are two stations
with the same identifier as long as the data is for distinct Lat/Long
locations? What happens if there are two stations with the same
Lat/Long?
>
> R/
> John
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:46 AM
> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US); madis-
support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry C CIV
(US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> John and Jeffrey,
>
> Hmmm, I'm a bit confused as to why disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2
did *NOT* make the error go away. I realized that I had been testing
using the latest development version of the code. So I switched to
using METv3.1, which I believe you are using. I tested using both
METv3.1 as originally released and METv3.1 with all of the posted
patches. In both cases, I was able to make that error go away by
disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 output types in the configuration file.
>
> Now I understand that you do *NOT* want to disable them. But I'm
interested in this to make sure there isn't a bug in the code. Would
you be able to send me a small test case that demonstrates this
behavior? I'd need the forecast file, the NetCDF point observation
file, the configuration file, and the command line you're using to
call Point-Stat. If I can replicate the behavior here, I can figure
out how to fix it.
>
> Now, I wasn't suggesting that you correct this problem in the data
by hand. I just wanted to point out to you exactly where in the data
the error was occurring. I believe you could just resort the input
observations before running them through ascii2nc. In fact, the unix
sort command with no additional arguments produces the desired result:
> sort hr1_13Z.txt > hr1_13Z_sort.txt
>
> I'm not sure if that'll do the trick in all cases, but I'm sure you
could figure out a robust way of resorting them.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> John
>
>
> On 06/25/2012 08:14 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>
>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>> John -
>>
>> Thanks for your analysis of the data and observations.
>>
>> We will check into the reason for processing the "V-DD" string. I
thought that we were not using the direction information from the
observations. Rather, my intent was to solely use the optional output
flag for VL1L2 to compute the error statistics for wind direction from
the observed U and V data when running Stat-Analysis.
>>
>> On your recommendation regarding the disabling of VL1L2 line type,
I prefer to continue using that option per the reason stated above to
get wind direction error statistics from Stat-Analysis. I am
reconsidering the need for the VAL1L2 line type for vector anomaly
partial sums and also the SAL1L2 line type for scalar anomaly partial
sums since we are not currently analyzing this type of statistic for
lack of climatology data. No need to generate this output until we
have the climo data and the need to use it to generate these types of
statistics.
>>
>> Regarding your third point, Jeff Passner's comment in his separate
email is on the mark. We need to have a fix for the situation which
results in the incorrect order of the observation lines for GRIB codes
33 and 34. We believe that this is due to the fact that there are data
being reported from two different stations which are using the same
identifier. This is a problem in the data source which we have
addressed separately with the MADIS data expert. It's good to hear
that when you edited the data to reorder it to follow the convention
expected by Point-Stat the problem went away.
>>
>> We are working on a way to use our case study data from FEB and MAR
2012 which may contain the station or stations which report different
data using the same identifier so that each stations data can be
treated as separate observations. This way the processing will not
place the lines with GRIB codes 33 and 34 in incorrect order, so we
now feel more confident that once this is done the problem in running
Point-Stat will go away.
>>
>> Thanks for the fix to isolate instances where this incorrect
ordering occurs. We typically use 18 to 24 hours of observation files
for a given model run assessment containing 300 to 500+ observations
each which might contain these problems, so we really need a global
fix to preclude instances like this which have to be handled manually.
>>
>> R/
>> John
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:56 AM
>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry
C
>> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
>> John,
>>
>> A few comments ...
>>
>> First, in the point observation file (hr1_13Z.txt), I see that you
have GRIB codes of 2, 7, 11, 17, 32, 33, 34, and 52, but you also have
the string "V-DD". When you run that through ascii2nc, that string
gets interpreted as a numerical value of 0. Is there something you
missed here? Did you intend "V-DD" to get converted to some
meaningful GRIB code?
>>
>> Second, just to make sure you know, you can make that error go away
by disabling the output of the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 line types in the
"output_flag" parameter in the config file.
>>
>> Third, I ran this data through ascii2nc and point_stat and was able
to reproduce the error you're seeing. After some inspection, I found
the problem occurs when processing the 2526-th observation.
>> Since you're using ASCII data, that means you should look at line
2526 of the file (hr1_13Z.txt):
>>
>> 2525 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99
33 -9999 1700.99 3.484788
>> 2526 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00
33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809
>> 2527 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99
34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691
>> 2528 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00
34
>> -9999 1716.00 -0.121727
>>
>> You see here that we have 33, 33, 34, 34, when we need it to be 33,
34, 33, 34. I tried reordering this data following this required
convention:
>>
>> ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 33 -9999
>> 1700.99 3.484788 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
>> 1700.99 34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400
>> 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809 ADPSFC MWSC1
>> 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 34 -9999 1716.00
-0.121727
>>
>> After doing this, the error went away and point_stat ran fine. So
it really is just a problem of the order of the observations - not the
fact that they're "duplicates".
>>
>> However, I realize that the error message from point_stat should
have told you the observation number that was causing the error. So
I've enhanced the error message in the development version to say the
following:
>>
>> ERROR :
>> ERROR : process_obs_file() -> for observation number 2526, when
computing VL1L2 and/or VAL1L2 vector winds each UGRD observation must
be followed by a VGRD observation with the same header and at the same
level.
>> ERROR :
>>
>> I think knowing the problematic observation number would have
helped isolate the problem more quickly.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>
>> On 06/21/2012 12:26 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>
>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>> John -
>>>
>>> Thanks for coming up on the net to offer help. There might be
something you could do from the MET side.
>>>
>>> Is there a way that Point-Stat could read the data then ignore
without error the fact that the UGRD data was not followed by the VGRD
data for this particular station and others which might show up later?
The problem Point-Stat sees, at least as far as we can tell, is that
when this stations UGRD and VGRD data is processed to convert it to
the MET specific acsii format, the result is that this station's
report contains 2 lines containing the UGRD data followed by two lines
with the VGRD data, so when Point-Stat reads the data, it sees two
consecutive lines with UGRD in it and errors off with the statement:
“Can’t process vector winds…. a UGRD observation must be followed by a
VGRD observation”. No Point-Stat output is generated when this occurs.
>>>
>>> I've attached an example text file (hr1_13Z.txt) which is
processed into the MET specific ascii format. I've also attached
another file (dupStationLog) which shows the duplicate data. Note the
order of the U and V wind component data.
>>>
>>> We suspect that this problem occurs only when the particular
station reports UGRD and VGRD. When Point-Stat processes data from
other duplicate stations which do not contain UGRD and VGRD data, it
continues without error. We are conducting testing to see if this is
the case.
>>>
>>> The fix for this problem in the data itself will probably have to
be arranged by the MADIS database administration, but their potential
fix may not address past data sets with which we are working for some
important case studies, so it would be nice if there was a patched
version of METV3.1 with a temporary fix to ignore the problem and not
consider that station's UGRD/VGRD data in the vector calculation.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> R/
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:02 AM
>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson,
Terry C
>>> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> I see that you sent this as an issue for MET-Help. Is this
strictly an issue in the MADIS data or is there some behavior in
Point-Stat that is not working as you'd expect?
>>>
>>> In the upcoming version of MET, METv4.0, point_stat has been
enhanced to detect duplicate point observations using two different
criteria. I believe it would help in this case.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thu Jun 21 09:30:16 2012: Request 57097 was acted upon.
>>>> Transaction: Ticket created by leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>>> Queue: met_help
>>>> Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations
(UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>> Owner: Nobody
>>>> Requestors: leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>>> Status: new
>>>> Ticket <URL:
>>>> https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John Raby,
>>>>
>>>> This is a NWSLI sitename. Let me see why the lat/lons are
different.
>>>>
>>>> -- Leon
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Raby, John W CIV (US) <
>>>> john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Leon -
>>>>>
>>>>> My colleague Jeff Passner and Bob Flanigan have discovered what
>>>>> appears to be a conflict in the naming of two different mesonet
>>>>> surface stations. The stations are located in CA with the same
name
>>>>> at two different locations and elevations. When we try to run
the
>>>>> Model Evaluation Tool Point-Stat, it sees the conflict in the
UGRD
>>>>> and VGRD data and flags the confusing order of the observation
data
>>>>> as a problem with missing UGRD or VGRD data. Jeff inspected the
>>>>> downloaded MADIS files and located the stations as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> MWSC1 elev 1716 m at 34.23210 and -118.0742 from the Mesowest
>>>>> network
>>>>> MWSC1 elev 1700.99 m at 34.23080 and -118.0711 from the CA Hydro
>>>>> network
>>>>>
>>>>> The attached graphic show the 2 stations which are very close to
>>>>> each other.
>>>>> In the graphic I labeled one with -A and the other with -B.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you correct this situation so that each station has a unique
>>>>> identifier?
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if you need more info.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> R/
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr John W. Raby, Meteorologist
>>>>> U.S. Army Research Laboratory
>>>>> White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002
>>>>> (575) 678-2004 DSN 258-2004
>>>>> FAX (575) 678-1230 DSN 258-1230
>>>>> Email: john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: John Halley Gotway
Time: Mon Jun 25 13:16:33 2012
John,
The instructions are posted on our website:
http://www.dtcenter.org/met/users/support/met_help.php#ftp
Thanks,
John
On 06/25/2012 12:47 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>
> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>
> John -
>
> Do you have instructions for uploading data? I have the files you
requested to be able to replicate the error, but the forecast file is
about 73 mb.
>
> Thanks.
>
> R/
> John
>
> ________________________________________
> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [met_help at ucar.edu]
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:36 AM
> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US); madis-
support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry C CIV
(US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> John,
>
> Running the "sort" command with no options will just sort the data
alphabetically from the beginning of the line to the end. If all of
the columns prior to lat/lon are identical, then it will sort by
> lat/lon. The "sort" command has many command line options to
control how the sort is performed, including which field(s) are sorted
(-k) and whether it's a numeric sort (-n). I'd suggest reading up
> on "sort" and playing around with it to get it to do exactly what
you want.
>
> In METv3.1, Point-Stat is not enforcing any uniqueness criteria for
the station id names or lat/lon locations. In fact Point-Stat often
uses "duplicate" observations in a single run when the time
> window for the observations is set wide enough that it includes
multiple observation reports from the same station.
>
> However, we have enhanced Point-Stat in METv4.0 (which we should be
releasing later today) to apply some filtering logic when it
encounters duplicate observations. A description for the
> "duplicate_flag" options is listed below.
>
> John
>
> //
> // The "duplicate_flag" entry specifies how to handle duplicate
point
> // observations in Point-Stat and Ensemble-Stat. Three techniques
are
> // currently supported:
> //
> // - "NONE" to use all point observations (legacy behavior)
> // - "UNIQUE" if two or more observations match identically
except in the
> // station ID field, only use a single observation
> // - "SINGLE" if two or more observations appear at a single
location
> // (lat, lon, level, elv), use only the observation that has
the valid
> // time closest to the forecast valid time
> //
> // The reporting mechanism for this feature can be activated by
specifying
> // a verbosity level of three or higher. The report will show
information
> // about where duplicates were detected and which observations were
used
> // in those cases.
> //
> duplicate_flag = NONE;
>
>
> On 06/25/2012 10:54 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>
>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>> John -
>>
>> On the unix resorting, the way you did it below, will the stations
be ordered by Lat/Long? Does Point-Stat care if there are two stations
with the same identifier as long as the data is for distinct Lat/Long
locations? What happens if there are two stations with the same
Lat/Long?
>>
>> R/
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:46 AM
>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US); madis-
support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry C CIV
(US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
>> John and Jeffrey,
>>
>> Hmmm, I'm a bit confused as to why disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2
did *NOT* make the error go away. I realized that I had been testing
using the latest development version of the code. So I switched to
using METv3.1, which I believe you are using. I tested using both
METv3.1 as originally released and METv3.1 with all of the posted
patches. In both cases, I was able to make that error go away by
disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 output types in the configuration file.
>>
>> Now I understand that you do *NOT* want to disable them. But I'm
interested in this to make sure there isn't a bug in the code. Would
you be able to send me a small test case that demonstrates this
behavior? I'd need the forecast file, the NetCDF point observation
file, the configuration file, and the command line you're using to
call Point-Stat. If I can replicate the behavior here, I can figure
out how to fix it.
>>
>> Now, I wasn't suggesting that you correct this problem in the data
by hand. I just wanted to point out to you exactly where in the data
the error was occurring. I believe you could just resort the input
observations before running them through ascii2nc. In fact, the unix
sort command with no additional arguments produces the desired result:
>> sort hr1_13Z.txt > hr1_13Z_sort.txt
>>
>> I'm not sure if that'll do the trick in all cases, but I'm sure you
could figure out a robust way of resorting them.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On 06/25/2012 08:14 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>
>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>> John -
>>>
>>> Thanks for your analysis of the data and observations.
>>>
>>> We will check into the reason for processing the "V-DD" string. I
thought that we were not using the direction information from the
observations. Rather, my intent was to solely use the optional output
flag for VL1L2 to compute the error statistics for wind direction from
the observed U and V data when running Stat-Analysis.
>>>
>>> On your recommendation regarding the disabling of VL1L2 line type,
I prefer to continue using that option per the reason stated above to
get wind direction error statistics from Stat-Analysis. I am
reconsidering the need for the VAL1L2 line type for vector anomaly
partial sums and also the SAL1L2 line type for scalar anomaly partial
sums since we are not currently analyzing this type of statistic for
lack of climatology data. No need to generate this output until we
have the climo data and the need to use it to generate these types of
statistics.
>>>
>>> Regarding your third point, Jeff Passner's comment in his separate
email is on the mark. We need to have a fix for the situation which
results in the incorrect order of the observation lines for GRIB codes
33 and 34. We believe that this is due to the fact that there are data
being reported from two different stations which are using the same
identifier. This is a problem in the data source which we have
addressed separately with the MADIS data expert. It's good to hear
that when you edited the data to reorder it to follow the convention
expected by Point-Stat the problem went away.
>>>
>>> We are working on a way to use our case study data from FEB and
MAR 2012 which may contain the station or stations which report
different data using the same identifier so that each stations data
can be treated as separate observations. This way the processing will
not place the lines with GRIB codes 33 and 34 in incorrect order, so
we now feel more confident that once this is done the problem in
running Point-Stat will go away.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the fix to isolate instances where this incorrect
ordering occurs. We typically use 18 to 24 hours of observation files
for a given model run assessment containing 300 to 500+ observations
each which might contain these problems, so we really need a global
fix to preclude instances like this which have to be handled manually.
>>>
>>> R/
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:56 AM
>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson,
Terry C
>>> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> A few comments ...
>>>
>>> First, in the point observation file (hr1_13Z.txt), I see that you
have GRIB codes of 2, 7, 11, 17, 32, 33, 34, and 52, but you also have
the string "V-DD". When you run that through ascii2nc, that string
gets interpreted as a numerical value of 0. Is there something you
missed here? Did you intend "V-DD" to get converted to some
meaningful GRIB code?
>>>
>>> Second, just to make sure you know, you can make that error go
away by disabling the output of the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 line types in the
"output_flag" parameter in the config file.
>>>
>>> Third, I ran this data through ascii2nc and point_stat and was
able to reproduce the error you're seeing. After some inspection, I
found the problem occurs when processing the 2526-th observation.
>>> Since you're using ASCII data, that means you should look at line
2526 of the file (hr1_13Z.txt):
>>>
>>> 2525 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
1700.99 33 -9999 1700.99 3.484788
>>> 2526 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742
1716.00 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809
>>> 2527 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
1700.99 34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691
>>> 2528 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742
1716.00 34
>>> -9999 1716.00 -0.121727
>>>
>>> You see here that we have 33, 33, 34, 34, when we need it to be
33, 34, 33, 34. I tried reordering this data following this required
convention:
>>>
>>> ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 33 -9999
>>> 1700.99 3.484788 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
>>> 1700.99 34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400
>>> 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809 ADPSFC MWSC1
>>> 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 34 -9999 1716.00
-0.121727
>>>
>>> After doing this, the error went away and point_stat ran fine. So
it really is just a problem of the order of the observations - not the
fact that they're "duplicates".
>>>
>>> However, I realize that the error message from point_stat should
have told you the observation number that was causing the error. So
I've enhanced the error message in the development version to say the
following:
>>>
>>> ERROR :
>>> ERROR : process_obs_file() -> for observation number 2526, when
computing VL1L2 and/or VAL1L2 vector winds each UGRD observation must
be followed by a VGRD observation with the same header and at the same
level.
>>> ERROR :
>>>
>>> I think knowing the problematic observation number would have
helped isolate the problem more quickly.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
>>>
>>> On 06/21/2012 12:26 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>
>>>> John -
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for coming up on the net to offer help. There might be
something you could do from the MET side.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way that Point-Stat could read the data then ignore
without error the fact that the UGRD data was not followed by the VGRD
data for this particular station and others which might show up later?
The problem Point-Stat sees, at least as far as we can tell, is that
when this stations UGRD and VGRD data is processed to convert it to
the MET specific acsii format, the result is that this station's
report contains 2 lines containing the UGRD data followed by two lines
with the VGRD data, so when Point-Stat reads the data, it sees two
consecutive lines with UGRD in it and errors off with the statement:
“Can’t process vector winds…. a UGRD observation must be followed by a
VGRD observation”. No Point-Stat output is generated when this occurs.
>>>>
>>>> I've attached an example text file (hr1_13Z.txt) which is
processed into the MET specific ascii format. I've also attached
another file (dupStationLog) which shows the duplicate data. Note the
order of the U and V wind component data.
>>>>
>>>> We suspect that this problem occurs only when the particular
station reports UGRD and VGRD. When Point-Stat processes data from
other duplicate stations which do not contain UGRD and VGRD data, it
continues without error. We are conducting testing to see if this is
the case.
>>>>
>>>> The fix for this problem in the data itself will probably have to
be arranged by the MADIS database administration, but their potential
fix may not address past data sets with which we are working for some
important case studies, so it would be nice if there was a patched
version of METV3.1 with a temporary fix to ignore the problem and not
consider that station's UGRD/VGRD data in the vector calculation.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> R/
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:02 AM
>>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson,
Terry C
>>>> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> I see that you sent this as an issue for MET-Help. Is this
strictly an issue in the MADIS data or is there some behavior in
Point-Stat that is not working as you'd expect?
>>>>
>>>> In the upcoming version of MET, METv4.0, point_stat has been
enhanced to detect duplicate point observations using two different
criteria. I believe it would help in this case.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thu Jun 21 09:30:16 2012: Request 57097 was acted upon.
>>>>> Transaction: Ticket created by leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>>>> Queue: met_help
>>>>> Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations
(UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>> Owner: Nobody
>>>>> Requestors: leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>>>> Status: new
>>>>> Ticket <URL:
>>>>> https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John Raby,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a NWSLI sitename. Let me see why the lat/lons are
different.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Leon
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Raby, John W CIV (US) <
>>>>> john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leon -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My colleague Jeff Passner and Bob Flanigan have discovered what
>>>>>> appears to be a conflict in the naming of two different mesonet
>>>>>> surface stations. The stations are located in CA with the same
name
>>>>>> at two different locations and elevations. When we try to run
the
>>>>>> Model Evaluation Tool Point-Stat, it sees the conflict in the
UGRD
>>>>>> and VGRD data and flags the confusing order of the observation
data
>>>>>> as a problem with missing UGRD or VGRD data. Jeff inspected the
>>>>>> downloaded MADIS files and located the stations as follows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MWSC1 elev 1716 m at 34.23210 and -118.0742 from the Mesowest
>>>>>> network
>>>>>> MWSC1 elev 1700.99 m at 34.23080 and -118.0711 from the CA
Hydro
>>>>>> network
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The attached graphic show the 2 stations which are very close
to
>>>>>> each other.
>>>>>> In the graphic I labeled one with -A and the other with -B.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you correct this situation so that each station has a
unique
>>>>>> identifier?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know if you need more info.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> R/
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr John W. Raby, Meteorologist
>>>>>> U.S. Army Research Laboratory
>>>>>> White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002
>>>>>> (575) 678-2004 DSN 258-2004
>>>>>> FAX (575) 678-1230 DSN 258-1230
>>>>>> Email: john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>>
>>
>
>
------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: Raby, John W USA CIV
Time: Mon Jun 25 15:07:35 2012
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
John -
I uploaded a PrepBUFR observation file.
I uploaded the MADIS observation file which contains the problematic
data where there are successive duplicate lines containing the U and
the V data for station MWSC1.
I also uploaded the WRFPRS forecast file, the configuration file, and
a script file containing the command line.
Let me know if you need something else.
We did an experiment on the MADIS data by creating a new fictitious
station identifier MWSC2 and assigned to it the duplicated data which
came from the MADIS database as MWSC1. That way we separated the
duplicated data from the report for MWSC1 and assigned it to MWSC2.
Point-Stat ran fine on this data. This had the effect of breaking up
the data so that the lines with 33 and 34 code data are placed
consecutively in the file for each of these two stations rather than
the two sets of data being placed together with the code 33 line for
one being placed immediately after the other code 33 line which causes
the problem.
We also performed another experiment by sorting the MADIS text file as
you suggested and Point-Stat ran fine.
We noticed that a diff command shows the .cnt files produced by the
above are different. I checked the stats for 2m temperature (Z2 level)
and they are slightly different. Do you have any idea why the files
are different?
Thanks.
R/
John
-----Original Message-----
From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:17 PM
To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US); madis-
support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry C CIV
(US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
John,
The instructions are posted on our website:
http://www.dtcenter.org/met/users/support/met_help.php#ftp
Thanks,
John
On 06/25/2012 12:47 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>
> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>
> John -
>
> Do you have instructions for uploading data? I have the files you
requested to be able to replicate the error, but the forecast file is
about 73 mb.
>
> Thanks.
>
> R/
> John
>
> ________________________________________
> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [met_help at ucar.edu]
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:36 AM
> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry
C
> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> John,
>
> Running the "sort" command with no options will just sort the data
> alphabetically from the beginning of the line to the end. If all of
> the columns prior to lat/lon are identical, then it will sort by
lat/lon. The "sort" command has many command line options to control
how the sort is performed, including which field(s) are sorted (-k)
and whether it's a numeric sort (-n). I'd suggest reading up on
"sort" and playing around with it to get it to do exactly what you
want.
>
> In METv3.1, Point-Stat is not enforcing any uniqueness criteria for
> the station id names or lat/lon locations. In fact Point-Stat often
uses "duplicate" observations in a single run when the time window for
the observations is set wide enough that it includes multiple
observation reports from the same station.
>
> However, we have enhanced Point-Stat in METv4.0 (which we should be
> releasing later today) to apply some filtering logic when it
encounters duplicate observations. A description for the
"duplicate_flag" options is listed below.
>
> John
>
> //
> // The "duplicate_flag" entry specifies how to handle duplicate
point
> // observations in Point-Stat and Ensemble-Stat. Three techniques
are
> // currently supported:
> //
> // - "NONE" to use all point observations (legacy behavior)
> // - "UNIQUE" if two or more observations match identically
except in the
> // station ID field, only use a single observation
> // - "SINGLE" if two or more observations appear at a single
location
> // (lat, lon, level, elv), use only the observation that has
the valid
> // time closest to the forecast valid time
> //
> // The reporting mechanism for this feature can be activated by
> specifying // a verbosity level of three or higher. The report will
> show information // about where duplicates were detected and which
> observations were used // in those cases.
> //
> duplicate_flag = NONE;
>
>
> On 06/25/2012 10:54 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>
>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>> John -
>>
>> On the unix resorting, the way you did it below, will the stations
be ordered by Lat/Long? Does Point-Stat care if there are two stations
with the same identifier as long as the data is for distinct Lat/Long
locations? What happens if there are two stations with the same
Lat/Long?
>>
>> R/
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:46 AM
>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry
C
>> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
>> John and Jeffrey,
>>
>> Hmmm, I'm a bit confused as to why disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2
did *NOT* make the error go away. I realized that I had been testing
using the latest development version of the code. So I switched to
using METv3.1, which I believe you are using. I tested using both
METv3.1 as originally released and METv3.1 with all of the posted
patches. In both cases, I was able to make that error go away by
disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 output types in the configuration file.
>>
>> Now I understand that you do *NOT* want to disable them. But I'm
interested in this to make sure there isn't a bug in the code. Would
you be able to send me a small test case that demonstrates this
behavior? I'd need the forecast file, the NetCDF point observation
file, the configuration file, and the command line you're using to
call Point-Stat. If I can replicate the behavior here, I can figure
out how to fix it.
>>
>> Now, I wasn't suggesting that you correct this problem in the data
by hand. I just wanted to point out to you exactly where in the data
the error was occurring. I believe you could just resort the input
observations before running them through ascii2nc. In fact, the unix
sort command with no additional arguments produces the desired result:
>> sort hr1_13Z.txt > hr1_13Z_sort.txt
>>
>> I'm not sure if that'll do the trick in all cases, but I'm sure you
could figure out a robust way of resorting them.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On 06/25/2012 08:14 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>
>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>> John -
>>>
>>> Thanks for your analysis of the data and observations.
>>>
>>> We will check into the reason for processing the "V-DD" string. I
thought that we were not using the direction information from the
observations. Rather, my intent was to solely use the optional output
flag for VL1L2 to compute the error statistics for wind direction from
the observed U and V data when running Stat-Analysis.
>>>
>>> On your recommendation regarding the disabling of VL1L2 line type,
I prefer to continue using that option per the reason stated above to
get wind direction error statistics from Stat-Analysis. I am
reconsidering the need for the VAL1L2 line type for vector anomaly
partial sums and also the SAL1L2 line type for scalar anomaly partial
sums since we are not currently analyzing this type of statistic for
lack of climatology data. No need to generate this output until we
have the climo data and the need to use it to generate these types of
statistics.
>>>
>>> Regarding your third point, Jeff Passner's comment in his separate
email is on the mark. We need to have a fix for the situation which
results in the incorrect order of the observation lines for GRIB codes
33 and 34. We believe that this is due to the fact that there are data
being reported from two different stations which are using the same
identifier. This is a problem in the data source which we have
addressed separately with the MADIS data expert. It's good to hear
that when you edited the data to reorder it to follow the convention
expected by Point-Stat the problem went away.
>>>
>>> We are working on a way to use our case study data from FEB and
MAR 2012 which may contain the station or stations which report
different data using the same identifier so that each stations data
can be treated as separate observations. This way the processing will
not place the lines with GRIB codes 33 and 34 in incorrect order, so
we now feel more confident that once this is done the problem in
running Point-Stat will go away.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the fix to isolate instances where this incorrect
ordering occurs. We typically use 18 to 24 hours of observation files
for a given model run assessment containing 300 to 500+ observations
each which might contain these problems, so we really need a global
fix to preclude instances like this which have to be handled manually.
>>>
>>> R/
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:56 AM
>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson,
Terry
>>> C CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> A few comments ...
>>>
>>> First, in the point observation file (hr1_13Z.txt), I see that you
have GRIB codes of 2, 7, 11, 17, 32, 33, 34, and 52, but you also have
the string "V-DD". When you run that through ascii2nc, that string
gets interpreted as a numerical value of 0. Is there something you
missed here? Did you intend "V-DD" to get converted to some
meaningful GRIB code?
>>>
>>> Second, just to make sure you know, you can make that error go
away by disabling the output of the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 line types in the
"output_flag" parameter in the config file.
>>>
>>> Third, I ran this data through ascii2nc and point_stat and was
able to reproduce the error you're seeing. After some inspection, I
found the problem occurs when processing the 2526-th observation.
>>> Since you're using ASCII data, that means you should look at line
2526 of the file (hr1_13Z.txt):
>>>
>>> 2525 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
1700.99 33 -9999 1700.99 3.484788
>>> 2526 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742
1716.00 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809
>>> 2527 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
1700.99 34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691
>>> 2528 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742
1716.00
>>> 34
>>> -9999 1716.00 -0.121727
>>>
>>> You see here that we have 33, 33, 34, 34, when we need it to be
33, 34, 33, 34. I tried reordering this data following this required
convention:
>>>
>>> ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 33 -9999
>>> 1700.99 3.484788 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
>>> 1700.99 34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400
>>> 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809 ADPSFC MWSC1
>>> 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 34 -9999 1716.00
>>> -0.121727
>>>
>>> After doing this, the error went away and point_stat ran fine. So
it really is just a problem of the order of the observations - not the
fact that they're "duplicates".
>>>
>>> However, I realize that the error message from point_stat should
have told you the observation number that was causing the error. So
I've enhanced the error message in the development version to say the
following:
>>>
>>> ERROR :
>>> ERROR : process_obs_file() -> for observation number 2526, when
computing VL1L2 and/or VAL1L2 vector winds each UGRD observation must
be followed by a VGRD observation with the same header and at the same
level.
>>> ERROR :
>>>
>>> I think knowing the problematic observation number would have
helped isolate the problem more quickly.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
>>>
>>> On 06/21/2012 12:26 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>
>>>> John -
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for coming up on the net to offer help. There might be
something you could do from the MET side.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way that Point-Stat could read the data then ignore
without error the fact that the UGRD data was not followed by the VGRD
data for this particular station and others which might show up later?
The problem Point-Stat sees, at least as far as we can tell, is that
when this stations UGRD and VGRD data is processed to convert it to
the MET specific acsii format, the result is that this station's
report contains 2 lines containing the UGRD data followed by two lines
with the VGRD data, so when Point-Stat reads the data, it sees two
consecutive lines with UGRD in it and errors off with the statement:
“Can’t process vector winds…. a UGRD observation must be followed by a
VGRD observation”. No Point-Stat output is generated when this occurs.
>>>>
>>>> I've attached an example text file (hr1_13Z.txt) which is
processed into the MET specific ascii format. I've also attached
another file (dupStationLog) which shows the duplicate data. Note the
order of the U and V wind component data.
>>>>
>>>> We suspect that this problem occurs only when the particular
station reports UGRD and VGRD. When Point-Stat processes data from
other duplicate stations which do not contain UGRD and VGRD data, it
continues without error. We are conducting testing to see if this is
the case.
>>>>
>>>> The fix for this problem in the data itself will probably have to
be arranged by the MADIS database administration, but their potential
fix may not address past data sets with which we are working for some
important case studies, so it would be nice if there was a patched
version of METV3.1 with a temporary fix to ignore the problem and not
consider that station's UGRD/VGRD data in the vector calculation.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> R/
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:02 AM
>>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson,
Terry
>>>> C CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> I see that you sent this as an issue for MET-Help. Is this
strictly an issue in the MADIS data or is there some behavior in
Point-Stat that is not working as you'd expect?
>>>>
>>>> In the upcoming version of MET, METv4.0, point_stat has been
enhanced to detect duplicate point observations using two different
criteria. I believe it would help in this case.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thu Jun 21 09:30:16 2012: Request 57097 was acted upon.
>>>>> Transaction: Ticket created by leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>>>> Queue: met_help
>>>>> Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations
(UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>> Owner: Nobody
>>>>> Requestors: leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>>>> Status: new
>>>>> Ticket <URL:
>>>>> https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John Raby,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a NWSLI sitename. Let me see why the lat/lons are
different.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Leon
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Raby, John W CIV (US) <
>>>>> john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leon -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My colleague Jeff Passner and Bob Flanigan have discovered what
>>>>>> appears to be a conflict in the naming of two different mesonet
>>>>>> surface stations. The stations are located in CA with the same
>>>>>> name at two different locations and elevations. When we try to
>>>>>> run the Model Evaluation Tool Point-Stat, it sees the conflict
in
>>>>>> the UGRD and VGRD data and flags the confusing order of the
>>>>>> observation data as a problem with missing UGRD or VGRD data.
>>>>>> Jeff inspected the downloaded MADIS files and located the
stations as follows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MWSC1 elev 1716 m at 34.23210 and -118.0742 from the Mesowest
>>>>>> network
>>>>>> MWSC1 elev 1700.99 m at 34.23080 and -118.0711 from the CA
Hydro
>>>>>> network
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The attached graphic show the 2 stations which are very close
to
>>>>>> each other.
>>>>>> In the graphic I labeled one with -A and the other with -B.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you correct this situation so that each station has a
unique
>>>>>> identifier?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know if you need more info.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> R/
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr John W. Raby, Meteorologist
>>>>>> U.S. Army Research Laboratory
>>>>>> White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002
>>>>>> (575) 678-2004 DSN 258-2004
>>>>>> FAX (575) 678-1230 DSN 258-1230
>>>>>> Email: john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: John Halley Gotway
Time: Tue Jun 26 08:19:34 2012
John,
Alright, I pulled the data you sent and reproduced the behavior you
described. For a minute I was worried, but I think I've figured out
what's going on here.
For some reason, the comments in the Point-Stat configuration file you
sent me are outdated. In METv2.0, the output_flag contained 13
entries. In METv3.0.1 and later releases, the output_flag
contained 15 entries - we added 2 new ones for multi-category
contingency tables.
Looking in the config file you sent me, the output_flag parameter does
in fact contain 15 entries. But the comments above only describe 13
entries! When I told you to turn off VL1L2 and VAL1L2, you
probably looked at the comments and set 7th and 8th entries to 0. But
if the comments were correct, you would have set the 9th and 10th
entries to 0. Just look at the comments in the file
METv3.1/data/config/PointStatConfig_default to see what I mean.
Please try setting the 9th and 10th entries to 0 and verify that the
error goes away.
I'm guessing you started running MET using METv2.0 or earlier and then
slowly evolved you're config files by hand rather than using the ones
distributed with each release.
I think this illustrates 2 points:
- First, you should always start from the config files that are
distributed with the version of the code you're running.
- Second, I think the change to the config files we made in METv4.0 is
a good one. Rather than having this silly array of 0's, 1's, and 2's,
we list each output line type and have the user set it to
NONE, STAT, or BOTH.
Hope that helps.
Thanks,
John
On 06/25/2012 03:07 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>
> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> John -
>
> I uploaded a PrepBUFR observation file.
>
> I uploaded the MADIS observation file which contains the problematic
data where there are successive duplicate lines containing the U and
the V data for station MWSC1.
>
> I also uploaded the WRFPRS forecast file, the configuration file,
and a script file containing the command line.
>
> Let me know if you need something else.
>
> We did an experiment on the MADIS data by creating a new fictitious
station identifier MWSC2 and assigned to it the duplicated data which
came from the MADIS database as MWSC1. That way we separated the
duplicated data from the report for MWSC1 and assigned it to MWSC2.
Point-Stat ran fine on this data. This had the effect of breaking up
the data so that the lines with 33 and 34 code data are placed
consecutively in the file for each of these two stations rather than
the two sets of data being placed together with the code 33 line for
one being placed immediately after the other code 33 line which causes
the problem.
>
> We also performed another experiment by sorting the MADIS text file
as you suggested and Point-Stat ran fine.
>
> We noticed that a diff command shows the .cnt files produced by the
above are different. I checked the stats for 2m temperature (Z2 level)
and they are slightly different. Do you have any idea why the files
are different?
>
> Thanks.
>
> R/
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:17 PM
> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US); madis-
support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry C CIV
(US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> John,
>
> The instructions are posted on our website:
> http://www.dtcenter.org/met/users/support/met_help.php#ftp
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> On 06/25/2012 12:47 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>
>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>
>> John -
>>
>> Do you have instructions for uploading data? I have the files you
requested to be able to replicate the error, but the forecast file is
about 73 mb.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> R/
>> John
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [met_help at ucar.edu]
>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:36 AM
>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry
C
>> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Running the "sort" command with no options will just sort the data
>> alphabetically from the beginning of the line to the end. If all
of
>> the columns prior to lat/lon are identical, then it will sort by
lat/lon. The "sort" command has many command line options to control
how the sort is performed, including which field(s) are sorted (-k)
and whether it's a numeric sort (-n). I'd suggest reading up on
"sort" and playing around with it to get it to do exactly what you
want.
>>
>> In METv3.1, Point-Stat is not enforcing any uniqueness criteria for
>> the station id names or lat/lon locations. In fact Point-Stat
often uses "duplicate" observations in a single run when the time
window for the observations is set wide enough that it includes
multiple observation reports from the same station.
>>
>> However, we have enhanced Point-Stat in METv4.0 (which we should be
>> releasing later today) to apply some filtering logic when it
encounters duplicate observations. A description for the
"duplicate_flag" options is listed below.
>>
>> John
>>
>> //
>> // The "duplicate_flag" entry specifies how to handle duplicate
point
>> // observations in Point-Stat and Ensemble-Stat. Three techniques
are
>> // currently supported:
>> //
>> // - "NONE" to use all point observations (legacy behavior)
>> // - "UNIQUE" if two or more observations match identically
except in the
>> // station ID field, only use a single observation
>> // - "SINGLE" if two or more observations appear at a single
location
>> // (lat, lon, level, elv), use only the observation that has
the valid
>> // time closest to the forecast valid time
>> //
>> // The reporting mechanism for this feature can be activated by
>> specifying // a verbosity level of three or higher. The report
will
>> show information // about where duplicates were detected and which
>> observations were used // in those cases.
>> //
>> duplicate_flag = NONE;
>>
>>
>> On 06/25/2012 10:54 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>
>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>> John -
>>>
>>> On the unix resorting, the way you did it below, will the stations
be ordered by Lat/Long? Does Point-Stat care if there are two stations
with the same identifier as long as the data is for distinct Lat/Long
locations? What happens if there are two stations with the same
Lat/Long?
>>>
>>> R/
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:46 AM
>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson,
Terry C
>>> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>
>>> John and Jeffrey,
>>>
>>> Hmmm, I'm a bit confused as to why disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2
did *NOT* make the error go away. I realized that I had been testing
using the latest development version of the code. So I switched to
using METv3.1, which I believe you are using. I tested using both
METv3.1 as originally released and METv3.1 with all of the posted
patches. In both cases, I was able to make that error go away by
disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 output types in the configuration file.
>>>
>>> Now I understand that you do *NOT* want to disable them. But I'm
interested in this to make sure there isn't a bug in the code. Would
you be able to send me a small test case that demonstrates this
behavior? I'd need the forecast file, the NetCDF point observation
file, the configuration file, and the command line you're using to
call Point-Stat. If I can replicate the behavior here, I can figure
out how to fix it.
>>>
>>> Now, I wasn't suggesting that you correct this problem in the data
by hand. I just wanted to point out to you exactly where in the data
the error was occurring. I believe you could just resort the input
observations before running them through ascii2nc. In fact, the unix
sort command with no additional arguments produces the desired result:
>>> sort hr1_13Z.txt > hr1_13Z_sort.txt
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if that'll do the trick in all cases, but I'm sure
you could figure out a robust way of resorting them.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/25/2012 08:14 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>
>>>> John -
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your analysis of the data and observations.
>>>>
>>>> We will check into the reason for processing the "V-DD" string. I
thought that we were not using the direction information from the
observations. Rather, my intent was to solely use the optional output
flag for VL1L2 to compute the error statistics for wind direction from
the observed U and V data when running Stat-Analysis.
>>>>
>>>> On your recommendation regarding the disabling of VL1L2 line
type, I prefer to continue using that option per the reason stated
above to get wind direction error statistics from Stat-Analysis. I am
reconsidering the need for the VAL1L2 line type for vector anomaly
partial sums and also the SAL1L2 line type for scalar anomaly partial
sums since we are not currently analyzing this type of statistic for
lack of climatology data. No need to generate this output until we
have the climo data and the need to use it to generate these types of
statistics.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding your third point, Jeff Passner's comment in his
separate email is on the mark. We need to have a fix for the situation
which results in the incorrect order of the observation lines for GRIB
codes 33 and 34. We believe that this is due to the fact that there
are data being reported from two different stations which are using
the same identifier. This is a problem in the data source which we
have addressed separately with the MADIS data expert. It's good to
hear that when you edited the data to reorder it to follow the
convention expected by Point-Stat the problem went away.
>>>>
>>>> We are working on a way to use our case study data from FEB and
MAR 2012 which may contain the station or stations which report
different data using the same identifier so that each stations data
can be treated as separate observations. This way the processing will
not place the lines with GRIB codes 33 and 34 in incorrect order, so
we now feel more confident that once this is done the problem in
running Point-Stat will go away.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the fix to isolate instances where this incorrect
ordering occurs. We typically use 18 to 24 hours of observation files
for a given model run assessment containing 300 to 500+ observations
each which might contain these problems, so we really need a global
fix to preclude instances like this which have to be handled manually.
>>>>
>>>> R/
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:56 AM
>>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson,
Terry
>>>> C CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> A few comments ...
>>>>
>>>> First, in the point observation file (hr1_13Z.txt), I see that
you have GRIB codes of 2, 7, 11, 17, 32, 33, 34, and 52, but you also
have the string "V-DD". When you run that through ascii2nc, that
string gets interpreted as a numerical value of 0. Is there something
you missed here? Did you intend "V-DD" to get converted to some
meaningful GRIB code?
>>>>
>>>> Second, just to make sure you know, you can make that error go
away by disabling the output of the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 line types in the
"output_flag" parameter in the config file.
>>>>
>>>> Third, I ran this data through ascii2nc and point_stat and was
able to reproduce the error you're seeing. After some inspection, I
found the problem occurs when processing the 2526-th observation.
>>>> Since you're using ASCII data, that means you should look at line
2526 of the file (hr1_13Z.txt):
>>>>
>>>> 2525 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
1700.99 33 -9999 1700.99 3.484788
>>>> 2526 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742
1716.00 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809
>>>> 2527 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
1700.99 34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691
>>>> 2528 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742
1716.00
>>>> 34
>>>> -9999 1716.00 -0.121727
>>>>
>>>> You see here that we have 33, 33, 34, 34, when we need it to be
33, 34, 33, 34. I tried reordering this data following this required
convention:
>>>>
>>>> ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 33 -9999
>>>> 1700.99 3.484788 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
>>>> 1700.99 34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400
>>>> 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809 ADPSFC MWSC1
>>>> 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 34 -9999 1716.00
>>>> -0.121727
>>>>
>>>> After doing this, the error went away and point_stat ran fine.
So it really is just a problem of the order of the observations - not
the fact that they're "duplicates".
>>>>
>>>> However, I realize that the error message from point_stat should
have told you the observation number that was causing the error. So
I've enhanced the error message in the development version to say the
following:
>>>>
>>>> ERROR :
>>>> ERROR : process_obs_file() -> for observation number 2526, when
computing VL1L2 and/or VAL1L2 vector winds each UGRD observation must
be followed by a VGRD observation with the same header and at the same
level.
>>>> ERROR :
>>>>
>>>> I think knowing the problematic observation number would have
helped isolate the problem more quickly.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> On 06/21/2012 12:26 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>>>
>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>
>>>>> John -
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for coming up on the net to offer help. There might be
something you could do from the MET side.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way that Point-Stat could read the data then ignore
without error the fact that the UGRD data was not followed by the VGRD
data for this particular station and others which might show up later?
The problem Point-Stat sees, at least as far as we can tell, is that
when this stations UGRD and VGRD data is processed to convert it to
the MET specific acsii format, the result is that this station's
report contains 2 lines containing the UGRD data followed by two lines
with the VGRD data, so when Point-Stat reads the data, it sees two
consecutive lines with UGRD in it and errors off with the statement:
“Can’t process vector winds…. a UGRD observation must be followed by a
VGRD observation”. No Point-Stat output is generated when this occurs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've attached an example text file (hr1_13Z.txt) which is
processed into the MET specific ascii format. I've also attached
another file (dupStationLog) which shows the duplicate data. Note the
order of the U and V wind component data.
>>>>>
>>>>> We suspect that this problem occurs only when the particular
station reports UGRD and VGRD. When Point-Stat processes data from
other duplicate stations which do not contain UGRD and VGRD data, it
continues without error. We are conducting testing to see if this is
the case.
>>>>>
>>>>> The fix for this problem in the data itself will probably have
to be arranged by the MADIS database administration, but their
potential fix may not address past data sets with which we are working
for some important case studies, so it would be nice if there was a
patched version of METV3.1 with a temporary fix to ignore the problem
and not consider that station's UGRD/VGRD data in the vector
calculation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> R/
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:02 AM
>>>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson,
Terry
>>>>> C CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>>
>>>>> John,
>>>>>
>>>>> I see that you sent this as an issue for MET-Help. Is this
strictly an issue in the MADIS data or is there some behavior in
Point-Stat that is not working as you'd expect?
>>>>>
>>>>> In the upcoming version of MET, METv4.0, point_stat has been
enhanced to detect duplicate point observations using two different
criteria. I believe it would help in this case.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thu Jun 21 09:30:16 2012: Request 57097 was acted upon.
>>>>>> Transaction: Ticket created by leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>>>>> Queue: met_help
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations
(UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>>> Owner: Nobody
>>>>>> Requestors: leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>>>>> Status: new
>>>>>> Ticket <URL:
>>>>>> https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Raby,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a NWSLI sitename. Let me see why the lat/lons are
different.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Leon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Raby, John W CIV (US) <
>>>>>> john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leon -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My colleague Jeff Passner and Bob Flanigan have discovered
what
>>>>>>> appears to be a conflict in the naming of two different
mesonet
>>>>>>> surface stations. The stations are located in CA with the same
>>>>>>> name at two different locations and elevations. When we try to
>>>>>>> run the Model Evaluation Tool Point-Stat, it sees the conflict
in
>>>>>>> the UGRD and VGRD data and flags the confusing order of the
>>>>>>> observation data as a problem with missing UGRD or VGRD data.
>>>>>>> Jeff inspected the downloaded MADIS files and located the
stations as follows:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MWSC1 elev 1716 m at 34.23210 and -118.0742 from the Mesowest
>>>>>>> network
>>>>>>> MWSC1 elev 1700.99 m at 34.23080 and -118.0711 from the CA
Hydro
>>>>>>> network
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The attached graphic show the 2 stations which are very close
to
>>>>>>> each other.
>>>>>>> In the graphic I labeled one with -A and the other with -B.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you correct this situation so that each station has a
unique
>>>>>>> identifier?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me know if you need more info.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> R/
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr John W. Raby, Meteorologist
>>>>>>> U.S. Army Research Laboratory
>>>>>>> White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002
>>>>>>> (575) 678-2004 DSN 258-2004
>>>>>>> FAX (575) 678-1230 DSN 258-1230
>>>>>>> Email: john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------
Subject: RE: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: jeffrey.e.passner.civ at mail.mil
Time: Tue Jun 26 09:55:01 2012
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
John,
Your
explanation below makes sense. I did notice the 15 entries on that
line when I looked at it but noticed that the comments only had 13
entries, so I just went ahead and deleted the last two values;
thinking it was an error or was of no importance. Oppps!
You are
correct, we should be upgrading the Config files as the MET program
evolves. There's a reason we did not do that, but it's something I
know we should be doing.
So you are correct -- John Raby and I
both set the values to 0 for the 9th and 10th entry.
When we go to
Metv4.0 that's something we need to watch for.
Jeff Passner
-----Original Message-----
From: John Halley
Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26,
2012 8:20 AM
To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E
CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US); madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan,
Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry C CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
John,
Alright, I pulled the data
you sent and reproduced the behavior you described. For a minute I
was worried, but I think I've figured out what's going on here.
For
some reason, the comments in the Point-Stat configuration file you
sent me are outdated. In METv2.0, the output_flag contained 13
entries. In METv3.0.1 and later releases, the output_flag
contained
15 entries - we added 2 new ones for multi-category contingency
tables.
Looking in the config file you sent me, the output_flag
parameter does in fact contain 15 entries. But the comments above
only describe 13 entries! When I told you to turn off VL1L2 and
VAL1L2, you
probably looked at the comments and set 7th and 8th
entries to 0. But if the comments were correct, you would have set
the 9th and 10th entries to 0. Just look at the comments in the file
METv3.1/data/config/PointStatConfig_default to see what I mean.
Please try setting the 9th and 10th entries to 0 and verify that the
error goes away.
I'm guessing you started running MET using METv2.0
or earlier and then slowly evolved you're config files by hand rather
than using the ones distributed with each release.
I think this
illustrates 2 points:
- First, you should always start from the
config files that are distributed with the version of the code you're
running.
- Second, I think the change to the config files we made in
METv4.0 is a good one. Rather than having this silly array of 0's,
1's, and 2's, we list each output line type and have the user set it
to
NONE, STAT, or BOTH.
Hope that helps.
Thanks,
John
On
06/25/2012 03:07 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>
> <URL:
https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>
>
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> John -
>
> I
uploaded a PrepBUFR observation file.
>
> I uploaded the MADIS
observation file which contains the problematic data where there are
successive duplicate lines containing the U and the V data for station
MWSC1.
>
> I also uploaded the WRFPRS forecast file, the
configuration file, and a script file containing the command line.
>
> Let me know if you need something else.
>
> We did an experiment
on the MADIS data by creating a new fictitious station identifier
MWSC2 and assigned to it the duplicated data which came from the MADIS
database as MWSC1. That way we separated the duplicated data from the
report for MWSC1 and assigned it to MWSC2. Point-Stat ran fine on this
data. This had the effect of breaking up the data so that the lines
with 33 and 34 code data are placed consecutively in the file for each
of these two stations rather than the two sets of data being placed
together with the code 33 line for one being placed immediately after
the other code 33 line which causes the problem.
>
> We also
performed another experiment by sorting the MADIS text file as you
suggested and Point-Stat ran fine.
>
> We noticed that a diff
command shows the .cnt files produced by the above are different. I
checked the stats for 2m temperature (Z2 level) and they are slightly
different. Do you have any idea why the files are different?
>
>
Thanks.
>
> R/
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
> Sent: Monday,
June 25, 2012 1:17 PM
> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
> Cc: Passner,
Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US); madis-support at noaa.gov;
Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry C CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina
R CTR (US)
> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in
MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> John,
>
> The
instructions are posted on our website:
>
http://www.dtcenter.org/met/users/support/met_help.php#ftp
>
>
Thanks,
> John
>
> On 06/25/2012 12:47 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via
RT wrote:
>>
>> <URL:
https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>
>> John
-
>>
>> Do you have instructions for uploading data? I have the
files you requested to be able to replicate the error, but the
forecast file is about 73 mb.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> R/
>> John
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: John Halley
Gotway via RT [met_help at ucar.edu]
>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012
11:36 AM
>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E
CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan,
Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry C
>> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR
(US)
>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS
sfc
>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Running
the "sort" command with no options will just sort the data
>>
alphabetically from the beginning of the line to the end. If all of
>> the columns prior to lat/lon are identical, then it will sort by
lat/lon. The "sort" command has many command line options to control
how the sort is performed, including which field(s) are sorted (-k)
and whether it's a numeric sort (-n). I'd suggest reading up on
"sort" and playing around with it to get it to do exactly what you
want.
>>
>> In METv3.1, Point-Stat is not enforcing any uniqueness
criteria for
>> the station id names or lat/lon locations. In fact
Point-Stat often uses "duplicate" observations in a single run when
the time window for the observations is set wide enough that it
includes multiple observation reports from the same station.
>>
>>
However, we have enhanced Point-Stat in METv4.0 (which we should be
>> releasing later today) to apply some filtering logic when it
encounters duplicate observations. A description for the
"duplicate_flag" options is listed below.
>>
>> John
>>
>> //
>>
// The "duplicate_flag" entry specifies how to handle duplicate point
>> // observations in Point-Stat and Ensemble-Stat. Three techniques
are
>> // currently supported:
>> //
>> // - "NONE" to use all
point observations (legacy behavior)
>> // - "UNIQUE" if two or
more observations match identically except in the
>> // station
ID field, only use a single observation
>> // - "SINGLE" if two or
more observations appear at a single location
>> // (lat, lon,
level, elv), use only the observation that has the valid
>> //
time closest to the forecast valid time
>> //
>> // The reporting
mechanism for this feature can be activated by
>> specifying // a
verbosity level of three or higher. The report will
>> show
information // about where duplicates were detected and which
>>
observations were used // in those cases.
>> //
>> duplicate_flag =
NONE;
>>
>>
>> On 06/25/2012 10:54 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT
wrote:
>>>
>>> <URL:
https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>
>>>
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>> John -
>>>
>>> On the unix resorting, the way you did it below, will the stations
be ordered by Lat/Long? Does Point-Stat care if there are two stations
with the same identifier as long as the data is for distinct Lat/Long
locations? What happens if there are two stations with the same
Lat/Long?
>>>
>>> R/
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
-----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT
[mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:46 AM
>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV
(US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan,
Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry C
>>> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR
(US)
>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS
sfc
>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>
>>> John and Jeffrey,
>>>
>>> Hmmm, I'm a bit confused as to why disabling the VL1L2 and
VAL1L2 did *NOT* make the error go away. I realized that I had been
testing using the latest development version of the code. So I
switched to using METv3.1, which I believe you are using. I tested
using both METv3.1 as originally released and METv3.1 with all of the
posted patches. In both cases, I was able to make that error go away
by disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 output types in the configuration
file.
>>>
>>> Now I understand that you do *NOT* want to disable
them. But I'm interested in this to make sure there isn't a bug in
the code. Would you be able to send me a small test case that
demonstrates this behavior? I'd need the forecast file, the NetCDF
point observation file, the configuration file, and the command line
you're using to call Point-Stat. If I can replicate the behavior
here, I can figure out how to fix it.
>>>
>>> Now, I wasn't
suggesting that you correct this problem in the data by hand. I just
wanted to point out to you exactly where in the data the error was
occurring. I believe you could just resort the input observations
before running them through ascii2nc. In fact, the unix sort command
with no additional arguments produces the desired result:
>>>
sort hr1_13Z.txt > hr1_13Z_sort.txt
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if that'll
do the trick in all cases, but I'm sure you could figure out a robust
way of resorting them.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/25/2012 08:14 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <URL:
https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>>
>>>>
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>
>>>> John -
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your analysis of the data and observations.
>>>>
>>>> We will check into the reason for processing the "V-DD"
string. I thought that we were not using the direction information
from the observations. Rather, my intent was to solely use the
optional output flag for VL1L2 to compute the error statistics for
wind direction from the observed U and V data when running Stat-
Analysis.
>>>>
>>>> On your recommendation regarding the disabling
of VL1L2 line type, I prefer to continue using that option per the
reason stated above to get wind direction error statistics from Stat-
Analysis. I am reconsidering the need for the VAL1L2 line type for
vector anomaly partial sums and also the SAL1L2 line type for scalar
anomaly partial sums since we are not currently analyzing this type of
statistic for lack of climatology data. No need to generate this
output until we have the climo data and the need to use it to generate
these types of statistics.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding your third point,
Jeff Passner's comment in his separate email is on the mark. We need
to have a fix for the situation which results in the incorrect order
of the observation lines for GRIB codes 33 and 34. We believe that
this is due to the fact that there are data being reported from two
different stations which are using the same identifier. This is a
problem in the data source which we have addressed separately with the
MADIS data expert. It's good to hear that when you edited the data to
reorder it to follow the convention expected by Point-Stat the problem
went away.
>>>>
>>>> We are working on a way to use our case study
data from FEB and MAR 2012 which may contain the station or stations
which report different data using the same identifier so that each
stations data can be treated as separate observations. This way the
processing will not place the lines with GRIB codes 33 and 34 in
incorrect order, so we now feel more confident that once this is done
the problem in running Point-Stat will go away.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for
the fix to isolate instances where this incorrect ordering occurs. We
typically use 18 to 24 hours of observation files for a given model
run assessment containing 300 to 500+ observations each which might
contain these problems, so we really need a global fix to preclude
instances like this which have to be handled manually.
>>>>
>>>> R/
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:
John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>>> Sent:
Friday, June 22, 2012 7:56 AM
>>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>>>
madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry
>>>> C CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>>> Subject: Re:
[rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>>> mesonet
stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> A few comments
...
>>>>
>>>> First, in the point observation file (hr1_13Z.txt), I
see that you have GRIB codes of 2, 7, 11, 17, 32, 33, 34, and 52, but
you also have the string "V-DD". When you run that through ascii2nc,
that string gets interpreted as a numerical value of 0. Is there
something you missed here? Did you intend "V-DD" to get converted to
some meaningful GRIB code?
>>>>
>>>> Second, just to make sure you
know, you can make that error go away by disabling the output of the
VL1L2 and VAL1L2 line types in the "output_flag" parameter in the
config file.
>>>>
>>>> Third, I ran this data through ascii2nc and
point_stat and was able to reproduce the error you're seeing. After
some inspection, I found the problem occurs when processing the 2526-
th observation.
>>>> Since you're using ASCII data, that means you
should look at line 2526 of the file (hr1_13Z.txt):
>>>>
>>>>
2525 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 33 -9999
1700.99 3.484788
>>>> 2526 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400
34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809
>>>> 2527
ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 34 -9999
1700.99 -0.121691
>>>> 2528 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400
34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00
>>>> 34
>>>> -9999 1716.00 -0.121727
>>>>
>>>> You see here that we have 33, 33, 34, 34, when we need it
to be 33, 34, 33, 34. I tried reordering this data following this
required convention:
>>>>
>>>> ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080
-118.0711 1700.99 33 -9999
>>>> 1700.99 3.484788 ADPSFC MWSC1
20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
>>>> 1700.99 34 -9999 1700.99
-0.121691 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400
>>>> 34.23210 -118.0742
1716.00 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809 ADPSFC MWSC1
>>>> 20120530_131400
34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 34 -9999 1716.00
>>>> -0.121727
>>>>
>>>> After doing this, the error went away and point_stat ran fine.
So it really is just a problem of the order of the observations - not
the fact that they're "duplicates".
>>>>
>>>> However, I realize
that the error message from point_stat should have told you the
observation number that was causing the error. So I've enhanced the
error message in the development version to say the following:
>>>>
>>>> ERROR :
>>>> ERROR : process_obs_file() -> for observation
number 2526, when computing VL1L2 and/or VAL1L2 vector winds each UGRD
observation must be followed by a VGRD observation with the same
header and at the same level.
>>>> ERROR :
>>>>
>>>> I think
knowing the problematic observation number would have helped isolate
the problem more quickly.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
On 06/21/2012 12:26 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>>>
>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>
>>>>> John -
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for coming up on the net to offer
help. There might be something you could do from the MET side.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way that Point-Stat could read the data then ignore
without error the fact that the UGRD data was not followed by the VGRD
data for this particular station and others which might show up later?
The problem Point-Stat sees, at least as far as we can tell, is that
when this stations UGRD and VGRD data is processed to convert it to
the MET specific acsii format, the result is that this station's
report contains 2 lines containing the UGRD data followed by two lines
with the VGRD data, so when Point-Stat reads the data, it sees two
consecutive lines with UGRD in it and errors off with the statement:
“Can’t process vector winds…. a UGRD observation must be followed by a
VGRD observation”. No Point-Stat output is generated when this occurs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've attached an example text file (hr1_13Z.txt) which is
processed into the MET specific ascii format. I've also attached
another file (dupStationLog) which shows the duplicate data. Note the
order of the U and V wind component data.
>>>>>
>>>>> We suspect
that this problem occurs only when the particular station reports UGRD
and VGRD. When Point-Stat processes data from other duplicate stations
which do not contain UGRD and VGRD data, it continues without error.
We are conducting testing to see if this is the case.
>>>>>
>>>>>
The fix for this problem in the data itself will probably have to be
arranged by the MADIS database administration, but their potential fix
may not address past data sets with which we are working for some
important case studies, so it would be nice if there was a patched
version of METV3.1 with a temporary fix to ignore the problem and not
consider that station's UGRD/VGRD data in the vector calculation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> R/
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
-----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT
[mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:02
AM
>>>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E
CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>>>> madis-support at noaa.gov;
Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry
>>>>> C CIV (US); Raby,
Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re:
Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>>
>>>>> John,
>>>>>
>>>>> I see that you sent this as an issue for
MET-Help. Is this strictly an issue in the MADIS data or is there
some behavior in Point-Stat that is not working as you'd expect?
>>>>>
>>>>> In the upcoming version of MET, METv4.0, point_stat has
been enhanced to detect duplicate point observations using two
different criteria. I believe it would help in this case.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thu Jun 21 09:30:16
2012: Request 57097 was acted upon.
>>>>>> Transaction: Ticket
created by leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>>>>> Queue:
met_help
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet
stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>>> Owner: Nobody
>>>>>>
Requestors: leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>>>>> Status: new
>>>>>> Ticket <URL:
>>>>>>
https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Raby,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a NWSLI
sitename. Let me see why the lat/lons are different.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
-- Leon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Raby, John W
CIV (US) <
>>>>>> john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leon -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My colleague Jeff Passner and Bob
Flanigan have discovered what
>>>>>>> appears to be a conflict in the
naming of two different mesonet
>>>>>>> surface stations. The
stations are located in CA with the same
>>>>>>> name at two
different locations and elevations. When we try to
>>>>>>> run the
Model Evaluation Tool Point-Stat, it sees the conflict in
>>>>>>> the
UGRD and VGRD data and flags the confusing order of the
>>>>>>>
observation data as a problem with missing UGRD or VGRD data.
>>>>>>>
Jeff inspected the downloaded MADIS files and located the stations as
follows:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MWSC1 elev 1716 m at 34.23210 and -118.0742
from the Mesowest
>>>>>>> network
>>>>>>> MWSC1 elev 1700.99 m at
34.23080 and -118.0711 from the CA Hydro
>>>>>>> network
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The attached graphic show the 2 stations which are very close
to
>>>>>>> each other.
>>>>>>> In the graphic I labeled one with -A
and the other with -B.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you correct this
situation so that each station has a unique
>>>>>>> identifier?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me know if you need more info.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> R/
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr John
W. Raby, Meteorologist
>>>>>>> U.S. Army Research Laboratory
>>>>>>>
White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002
>>>>>>> (575) 678-2004 DSN 258-
2004
>>>>>>> FAX (575) 678-1230 DSN 258-1230
>>>>>>> Email:
john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Classification:
UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats:
NONE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats:
NONE
------------------------------------------------
Subject: RE: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: John Halley Gotway
Time: Tue Jun 26 10:46:47 2012
Jeff,
Great. I'll go ahead and resolve this ticket. If more issues arise,
feel
free to write us again at met_help at ucar.edu.
Thanks,
John
>
> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> John,
>
> Your explanation below makes sense. I did notice the 15 entries on
that
> line when I looked at it but noticed that the comments only had 13
> entries, so I just went ahead and deleted the last two values;
thinking it
> was an error or was of no importance. Oppps!
>
> You are correct, we should be upgrading the Config files as the MET
> program evolves. There's a reason we did not do that, but it's
something I
> know we should be doing.
>
> So you are correct -- John Raby and I both set the values to 0 for
the 9th
> and 10th entry.
>
> When we go to Metv4.0 that's something we need to watch for.
>
>
Jeff
> Passner
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:20 AM
> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry
C CIV
> (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
mesonet
> stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> John,
>
> Alright, I pulled the data you sent and reproduced the behavior you
> described. For a minute I was worried, but I think I've figured out
> what's going on here.
>
> For some reason, the comments in the Point-Stat configuration file
you
> sent me are outdated. In METv2.0, the output_flag contained 13
entries.
> In METv3.0.1 and later releases, the output_flag
> contained 15 entries - we added 2 new ones for multi-category
contingency
> tables.
>
> Looking in the config file you sent me, the output_flag parameter
does in
> fact contain 15 entries. But the comments above only describe 13
entries!
> When I told you to turn off VL1L2 and VAL1L2, you
> probably looked at the comments and set 7th and 8th entries to 0.
But if
> the comments were correct, you would have set the 9th and 10th
entries to
> 0. Just look at the comments in the file
> METv3.1/data/config/PointStatConfig_default to see what I mean.
Please
> try setting the 9th and 10th entries to 0 and verify that the error
goes
> away.
>
> I'm guessing you started running MET using METv2.0 or earlier and
then
> slowly evolved you're config files by hand rather than using the
ones
> distributed with each release.
>
> I think this illustrates 2 points:
> - First, you should always start from the config files that are
> distributed with the version of the code you're running.
> - Second, I think the change to the config files we made in METv4.0
is a
> good one. Rather than having this silly array of 0's, 1's, and 2's,
we
> list each output line type and have the user set it to
> NONE, STAT, or BOTH.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
> On 06/25/2012 03:07 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>
>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>> John -
>>
>> I uploaded a PrepBUFR observation file.
>>
>> I uploaded the MADIS observation file which contains the
problematic
>> data where there are successive duplicate lines containing the U
and the
>> V data for station MWSC1.
>>
>> I also uploaded the WRFPRS forecast file, the configuration file,
and a
>> script file containing the command line.
>>
>> Let me know if you need something else.
>>
>> We did an experiment on the MADIS data by creating a new fictitious
>> station identifier MWSC2 and assigned to it the duplicated data
which
>> came from the MADIS database as MWSC1. That way we separated the
>> duplicated data from the report for MWSC1 and assigned it to MWSC2.
>> Point-Stat ran fine on this data. This had the effect of breaking
up the
>> data so that the lines with 33 and 34 code data are placed
consecutively
>> in the file for each of these two stations rather than the two sets
of
>> data being placed together with the code 33 line for one being
placed
>> immediately after the other code 33 line which causes the problem.
>>
>> We also performed another experiment by sorting the MADIS text file
as
>> you suggested and Point-Stat ran fine.
>>
>> We noticed that a diff command shows the .cnt files produced by the
>> above are different. I checked the stats for 2m temperature (Z2
level)
>> and they are slightly different. Do you have any idea why the files
are
>> different?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> R/
>> John
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:17 PM
>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry
C
>> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
mesonet
>> stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
>> John,
>>
>> The instructions are posted on our website:
>> http://www.dtcenter.org/met/users/support/met_help.php#ftp
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>
>> On 06/25/2012 12:47 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>
>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>
>>> John -
>>>
>>> Do you have instructions for uploading data? I have the files you
>>> requested to be able to replicate the error, but the forecast file
is
>>> about 73 mb.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> R/
>>> John
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [met_help at ucar.edu]
>>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:36 AM
>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson,
Terry C
>>> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Running the "sort" command with no options will just sort the data
>>> alphabetically from the beginning of the line to the end. If all
of
>>> the columns prior to lat/lon are identical, then it will sort by
>>> lat/lon. The "sort" command has many command line options to
control
>>> how the sort is performed, including which field(s) are sorted (-
k) and
>>> whether it's a numeric sort (-n). I'd suggest reading up on
"sort" and
>>> playing around with it to get it to do exactly what you want.
>>>
>>> In METv3.1, Point-Stat is not enforcing any uniqueness criteria
for
>>> the station id names or lat/lon locations. In fact Point-Stat
often
>>> uses "duplicate" observations in a single run when the time window
for
>>> the observations is set wide enough that it includes multiple
>>> observation reports from the same station.
>>>
>>> However, we have enhanced Point-Stat in METv4.0 (which we should
be
>>> releasing later today) to apply some filtering logic when it
encounters
>>> duplicate observations. A description for the "duplicate_flag"
options
>>> is listed below.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> //
>>> // The "duplicate_flag" entry specifies how to handle duplicate
point
>>> // observations in Point-Stat and Ensemble-Stat. Three techniques
are
>>> // currently supported:
>>> //
>>> // - "NONE" to use all point observations (legacy behavior)
>>> // - "UNIQUE" if two or more observations match identically
except
>>> in the
>>> // station ID field, only use a single observation
>>> // - "SINGLE" if two or more observations appear at a single
>>> location
>>> // (lat, lon, level, elv), use only the observation that has
the
>>> valid
>>> // time closest to the forecast valid time
>>> //
>>> // The reporting mechanism for this feature can be activated by
>>> specifying // a verbosity level of three or higher. The report
will
>>> show information // about where duplicates were detected and which
>>> observations were used // in those cases.
>>> //
>>> duplicate_flag = NONE;
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/25/2012 10:54 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>
>>>> John -
>>>>
>>>> On the unix resorting, the way you did it below, will the
stations be
>>>> ordered by Lat/Long? Does Point-Stat care if there are two
stations
>>>> with the same identifier as long as the data is for distinct
Lat/Long
>>>> locations? What happens if there are two stations with the same
>>>> Lat/Long?
>>>>
>>>> R/
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:46 AM
>>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson,
Terry C
>>>> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>
>>>> John and Jeffrey,
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm, I'm a bit confused as to why disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2
did
>>>> *NOT* make the error go away. I realized that I had been testing
>>>> using the latest development version of the code. So I switched
to
>>>> using METv3.1, which I believe you are using. I tested using
both
>>>> METv3.1 as originally released and METv3.1 with all of the posted
>>>> patches. In both cases, I was able to make that error go away by
>>>> disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 output types in the configuration
file.
>>>>
>>>> Now I understand that you do *NOT* want to disable them. But I'm
>>>> interested in this to make sure there isn't a bug in the code.
Would
>>>> you be able to send me a small test case that demonstrates this
>>>> behavior? I'd need the forecast file, the NetCDF point
observation
>>>> file, the configuration file, and the command line you're using
to
>>>> call Point-Stat. If I can replicate the behavior here, I can
figure
>>>> out how to fix it.
>>>>
>>>> Now, I wasn't suggesting that you correct this problem in the
data by
>>>> hand. I just wanted to point out to you exactly where in the
data the
>>>> error was occurring. I believe you could just resort the input
>>>> observations before running them through ascii2nc. In fact, the
unix
>>>> sort command with no additional arguments produces the desired
result:
>>>> sort hr1_13Z.txt > hr1_13Z_sort.txt
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure if that'll do the trick in all cases, but I'm sure
you
>>>> could figure out a robust way of resorting them.
>>>>
>>>> Hope that helps.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 06/25/2012 08:14 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>>>
>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>
>>>>> John -
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your analysis of the data and observations.
>>>>>
>>>>> We will check into the reason for processing the "V-DD" string.
I
>>>>> thought that we were not using the direction information from
the
>>>>> observations. Rather, my intent was to solely use the optional
output
>>>>> flag for VL1L2 to compute the error statistics for wind
direction
>>>>> from the observed U and V data when running Stat-Analysis.
>>>>>
>>>>> On your recommendation regarding the disabling of VL1L2 line
type, I
>>>>> prefer to continue using that option per the reason stated above
to
>>>>> get wind direction error statistics from Stat-Analysis. I am
>>>>> reconsidering the need for the VAL1L2 line type for vector
anomaly
>>>>> partial sums and also the SAL1L2 line type for scalar anomaly
partial
>>>>> sums since we are not currently analyzing this type of statistic
for
>>>>> lack of climatology data. No need to generate this output until
we
>>>>> have the climo data and the need to use it to generate these
types of
>>>>> statistics.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding your third point, Jeff Passner's comment in his
separate
>>>>> email is on the mark. We need to have a fix for the situation
which
>>>>> results in the incorrect order of the observation lines for GRIB
>>>>> codes 33 and 34. We believe that this is due to the fact that
there
>>>>> are data being reported from two different stations which are
using
>>>>> the same identifier. This is a problem in the data source which
we
>>>>> have addressed separately with the MADIS data expert. It's good
to
>>>>> hear that when you edited the data to reorder it to follow the
>>>>> convention expected by Point-Stat the problem went away.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are working on a way to use our case study data from FEB and
MAR
>>>>> 2012 which may contain the station or stations which report
different
>>>>> data using the same identifier so that each stations data can be
>>>>> treated as separate observations. This way the processing will
not
>>>>> place the lines with GRIB codes 33 and 34 in incorrect order, so
we
>>>>> now feel more confident that once this is done the problem in
running
>>>>> Point-Stat will go away.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the fix to isolate instances where this incorrect
ordering
>>>>> occurs. We typically use 18 to 24 hours of observation files for
a
>>>>> given model run assessment containing 300 to 500+ observations
each
>>>>> which might contain these problems, so we really need a global
fix to
>>>>> preclude instances like this which have to be handled manually.
>>>>>
>>>>> R/
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:56 AM
>>>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson,
Terry
>>>>> C CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>>
>>>>> John,
>>>>>
>>>>> A few comments ...
>>>>>
>>>>> First, in the point observation file (hr1_13Z.txt), I see that
you
>>>>> have GRIB codes of 2, 7, 11, 17, 32, 33, 34, and 52, but you
also
>>>>> have the string "V-DD". When you run that through ascii2nc,
that
>>>>> string gets interpreted as a numerical value of 0. Is there
>>>>> something you missed here? Did you intend "V-DD" to get
converted to
>>>>> some meaningful GRIB code?
>>>>>
>>>>> Second, just to make sure you know, you can make that error go
away
>>>>> by disabling the output of the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 line types in
the
>>>>> "output_flag" parameter in the config file.
>>>>>
>>>>> Third, I ran this data through ascii2nc and point_stat and was
able
>>>>> to reproduce the error you're seeing. After some inspection, I
found
>>>>> the problem occurs when processing the 2526-th observation.
>>>>> Since you're using ASCII data, that means you should look at
line
>>>>> 2526 of the file (hr1_13Z.txt):
>>>>>
>>>>> 2525 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
1700.99
>>>>> 33 -9999 1700.99 3.484788
>>>>> 2526 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742
1716.00
>>>>> 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809
>>>>> 2527 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
1700.99
>>>>> 34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691
>>>>> 2528 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742
1716.00
>>>>> 34
>>>>> -9999 1716.00 -0.121727
>>>>>
>>>>> You see here that we have 33, 33, 34, 34, when we need it to be
33,
>>>>> 34, 33, 34. I tried reordering this data following this
required
>>>>> convention:
>>>>>
>>>>> ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 33 -9999
>>>>> 1700.99 3.484788 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
>>>>> 1700.99 34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400
>>>>> 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809 ADPSFC
MWSC1
>>>>> 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 34 -9999 1716.00
>>>>> -0.121727
>>>>>
>>>>> After doing this, the error went away and point_stat ran fine.
So it
>>>>> really is just a problem of the order of the observations - not
the
>>>>> fact that they're "duplicates".
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I realize that the error message from point_stat should
have
>>>>> told you the observation number that was causing the error. So
I've
>>>>> enhanced the error message in the development version to say the
>>>>> following:
>>>>>
>>>>> ERROR :
>>>>> ERROR : process_obs_file() -> for observation number 2526, when
>>>>> computing VL1L2 and/or VAL1L2 vector winds each UGRD observation
must
>>>>> be followed by a VGRD observation with the same header and at
the
>>>>> same level.
>>>>> ERROR :
>>>>>
>>>>> I think knowing the problematic observation number would have
helped
>>>>> isolate the problem more quickly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> On 06/21/2012 12:26 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for coming up on the net to offer help. There might be
>>>>>> something you could do from the MET side.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a way that Point-Stat could read the data then ignore
>>>>>> without error the fact that the UGRD data was not followed by
the
>>>>>> VGRD data for this particular station and others which might
show up
>>>>>> later? The problem Point-Stat sees, at least as far as we can
tell,
>>>>>> is that when this stations UGRD and VGRD data is processed to
>>>>>> convert it to the MET specific acsii format, the result is that
this
>>>>>> station's report contains 2 lines containing the UGRD data
followed
>>>>>> by two lines with the VGRD data, so when Point-Stat reads the
data,
>>>>>> it sees two consecutive lines with UGRD in it and errors off
with
>>>>>> the statement: “Can’t process vector winds…. a UGRD
>>>>>> observation must be followed by a VGRD observationâ€. No
Point-Stat
>>>>>> output is generated when this occurs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've attached an example text file (hr1_13Z.txt) which is
processed
>>>>>> into the MET specific ascii format. I've also attached another
file
>>>>>> (dupStationLog) which shows the duplicate data. Note the order
of
>>>>>> the U and V wind component data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We suspect that this problem occurs only when the particular
station
>>>>>> reports UGRD and VGRD. When Point-Stat processes data from
other
>>>>>> duplicate stations which do not contain UGRD and VGRD data, it
>>>>>> continues without error. We are conducting testing to see if
this is
>>>>>> the case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fix for this problem in the data itself will probably have
to be
>>>>>> arranged by the MADIS database administration, but their
potential
>>>>>> fix may not address past data sets with which we are working
for
>>>>>> some important case studies, so it would be nice if there was a
>>>>>> patched version of METV3.1 with a temporary fix to ignore the
>>>>>> problem and not consider that station's UGRD/VGRD data in the
vector
>>>>>> calculation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> R/
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:02 AM
>>>>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>>>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>>>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson,
Terry
>>>>>> C CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>>>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see that you sent this as an issue for MET-Help. Is this
strictly
>>>>>> an issue in the MADIS data or is there some behavior in Point-
Stat
>>>>>> that is not working as you'd expect?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the upcoming version of MET, METv4.0, point_stat has been
>>>>>> enhanced to detect duplicate point observations using two
different
>>>>>> criteria. I believe it would help in this case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thu Jun 21 09:30:16 2012: Request 57097 was acted upon.
>>>>>>> Transaction: Ticket created by leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>>>>>> Queue: met_help
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations
>>>>>>> (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>>>> Owner: Nobody
>>>>>>> Requestors: leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>>>>>> Status: new
>>>>>>> Ticket <URL:
>>>>>>> https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Raby,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a NWSLI sitename. Let me see why the lat/lons are
>>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Leon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Raby, John W CIV (US) <
>>>>>>> john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leon -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My colleague Jeff Passner and Bob Flanigan have discovered
what
>>>>>>>> appears to be a conflict in the naming of two different
mesonet
>>>>>>>> surface stations. The stations are located in CA with the
same
>>>>>>>> name at two different locations and elevations. When we try
to
>>>>>>>> run the Model Evaluation Tool Point-Stat, it sees the
conflict in
>>>>>>>> the UGRD and VGRD data and flags the confusing order of the
>>>>>>>> observation data as a problem with missing UGRD or VGRD data.
>>>>>>>> Jeff inspected the downloaded MADIS files and located the
stations
>>>>>>>> as follows:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MWSC1 elev 1716 m at 34.23210 and -118.0742 from the Mesowest
>>>>>>>> network
>>>>>>>> MWSC1 elev 1700.99 m at 34.23080 and -118.0711 from the CA
Hydro
>>>>>>>> network
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The attached graphic show the 2 stations which are very close
to
>>>>>>>> each other.
>>>>>>>> In the graphic I labeled one with -A and the other with -B.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you correct this situation so that each station has a
unique
>>>>>>>> identifier?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let me know if you need more info.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> R/
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mr John W. Raby, Meteorologist
>>>>>>>> U.S. Army Research Laboratory
>>>>>>>> White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002
>>>>>>>> (575) 678-2004 DSN 258-2004
>>>>>>>> FAX (575) 678-1230 DSN 258-1230
>>>>>>>> Email: john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: Raby, John W USA CIV
Time: Tue Jun 26 11:00:02 2012
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
John -
Thanks for your diagnostic work on this problem.
I rechecked my config file which I just reposted to the ftp site just
in case I had sent the wrong one. The config file I thought I used
contains 15 entries. I had changed the 12th, 13th and 14th (based on
the example in the User's Guide) to 0 vice 2 to test the effect of
turning off the VL1L2, VAL1L2 and for good measure the SAL1L2. It was
with this setting that I saw the recurrence of the behavior having to
do with the UGRD followed by the VGRD.
Even though I had modified the config file to update it to work with
MET V3.1, I consulted with the METV3.1 User's Guide to incorporate the
differences between the previous version and the current for the
various settings. I didn't worry about updating the comments.
>From your email below, you stated that the 9th and 10th entries must
be changed to 0 to turn off the VL1L2, VAL1L2. Now I'm confused.
According to my User's Guide for METV3.1, the entries which correspond
to VL1L2, VAL1L2 are the 13th and 14th entries. The 9th and 10th
entries are for PJC and PRC.
I agree with your point about using the default config files which
come with the software distribution as a way to assure compatibility.
I need to get in the habit of doing this for sure. Bob Flanigan
compiled METV4.0 yesterday, so we should all realize the benefit of
the improved config files soon.
R/
John
-----Original Message-----
From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:20 AM
To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US); madis-
support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry C CIV
(US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
John,
Alright, I pulled the data you sent and reproduced the behavior you
described. For a minute I was worried, but I think I've figured out
what's going on here.
For some reason, the comments in the Point-Stat configuration file you
sent me are outdated. In METv2.0, the output_flag contained 13
entries. In METv3.0.1 and later releases, the output_flag contained
15 entries - we added 2 new ones for multi-category contingency
tables.
Looking in the config file you sent me, the output_flag parameter does
in fact contain 15 entries. But the comments above only describe 13
entries! When I told you to turn off VL1L2 and VAL1L2, you probably
looked at the comments and set 7th and 8th entries to 0. But if the
comments were correct, you would have set the 9th and 10th entries to
0. Just look at the comments in the file
METv3.1/data/config/PointStatConfig_default to see what I mean.
Please try setting the 9th and 10th entries to 0 and verify that the
error goes away.
I'm guessing you started running MET using METv2.0 or earlier and then
slowly evolved you're config files by hand rather than using the ones
distributed with each release.
I think this illustrates 2 points:
- First, you should always start from the config files that are
distributed with the version of the code you're running.
- Second, I think the change to the config files we made in METv4.0 is
a good one. Rather than having this silly array of 0's, 1's, and 2's,
we list each output line type and have the user set it to NONE, STAT,
or BOTH.
Hope that helps.
Thanks,
John
On 06/25/2012 03:07 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>
> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> John -
>
> I uploaded a PrepBUFR observation file.
>
> I uploaded the MADIS observation file which contains the problematic
data where there are successive duplicate lines containing the U and
the V data for station MWSC1.
>
> I also uploaded the WRFPRS forecast file, the configuration file,
and a script file containing the command line.
>
> Let me know if you need something else.
>
> We did an experiment on the MADIS data by creating a new fictitious
station identifier MWSC2 and assigned to it the duplicated data which
came from the MADIS database as MWSC1. That way we separated the
duplicated data from the report for MWSC1 and assigned it to MWSC2.
Point-Stat ran fine on this data. This had the effect of breaking up
the data so that the lines with 33 and 34 code data are placed
consecutively in the file for each of these two stations rather than
the two sets of data being placed together with the code 33 line for
one being placed immediately after the other code 33 line which causes
the problem.
>
> We also performed another experiment by sorting the MADIS text file
as you suggested and Point-Stat ran fine.
>
> We noticed that a diff command shows the .cnt files produced by the
above are different. I checked the stats for 2m temperature (Z2 level)
and they are slightly different. Do you have any idea why the files
are different?
>
> Thanks.
>
> R/
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:17 PM
> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry
C
> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> John,
>
> The instructions are posted on our website:
> http://www.dtcenter.org/met/users/support/met_help.php#ftp
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> On 06/25/2012 12:47 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>
>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>
>> John -
>>
>> Do you have instructions for uploading data? I have the files you
requested to be able to replicate the error, but the forecast file is
about 73 mb.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> R/
>> John
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [met_help at ucar.edu]
>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:36 AM
>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry
C
>> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Running the "sort" command with no options will just sort the data
>> alphabetically from the beginning of the line to the end. If all
of
>> the columns prior to lat/lon are identical, then it will sort by
lat/lon. The "sort" command has many command line options to control
how the sort is performed, including which field(s) are sorted (-k)
and whether it's a numeric sort (-n). I'd suggest reading up on
"sort" and playing around with it to get it to do exactly what you
want.
>>
>> In METv3.1, Point-Stat is not enforcing any uniqueness criteria for
>> the station id names or lat/lon locations. In fact Point-Stat
often uses "duplicate" observations in a single run when the time
window for the observations is set wide enough that it includes
multiple observation reports from the same station.
>>
>> However, we have enhanced Point-Stat in METv4.0 (which we should be
>> releasing later today) to apply some filtering logic when it
encounters duplicate observations. A description for the
"duplicate_flag" options is listed below.
>>
>> John
>>
>> //
>> // The "duplicate_flag" entry specifies how to handle duplicate
point
>> // observations in Point-Stat and Ensemble-Stat. Three techniques
>> are // currently supported:
>> //
>> // - "NONE" to use all point observations (legacy behavior)
>> // - "UNIQUE" if two or more observations match identically
except in the
>> // station ID field, only use a single observation
>> // - "SINGLE" if two or more observations appear at a single
location
>> // (lat, lon, level, elv), use only the observation that has
the valid
>> // time closest to the forecast valid time
>> //
>> // The reporting mechanism for this feature can be activated by
>> specifying // a verbosity level of three or higher. The report
will
>> show information // about where duplicates were detected and which
>> observations were used // in those cases.
>> //
>> duplicate_flag = NONE;
>>
>>
>> On 06/25/2012 10:54 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>
>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>> John -
>>>
>>> On the unix resorting, the way you did it below, will the stations
be ordered by Lat/Long? Does Point-Stat care if there are two stations
with the same identifier as long as the data is for distinct Lat/Long
locations? What happens if there are two stations with the same
Lat/Long?
>>>
>>> R/
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:46 AM
>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson,
Terry
>>> C CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>
>>> John and Jeffrey,
>>>
>>> Hmmm, I'm a bit confused as to why disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2
did *NOT* make the error go away. I realized that I had been testing
using the latest development version of the code. So I switched to
using METv3.1, which I believe you are using. I tested using both
METv3.1 as originally released and METv3.1 with all of the posted
patches. In both cases, I was able to make that error go away by
disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 output types in the configuration file.
>>>
>>> Now I understand that you do *NOT* want to disable them. But I'm
interested in this to make sure there isn't a bug in the code. Would
you be able to send me a small test case that demonstrates this
behavior? I'd need the forecast file, the NetCDF point observation
file, the configuration file, and the command line you're using to
call Point-Stat. If I can replicate the behavior here, I can figure
out how to fix it.
>>>
>>> Now, I wasn't suggesting that you correct this problem in the data
by hand. I just wanted to point out to you exactly where in the data
the error was occurring. I believe you could just resort the input
observations before running them through ascii2nc. In fact, the unix
sort command with no additional arguments produces the desired result:
>>> sort hr1_13Z.txt > hr1_13Z_sort.txt
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if that'll do the trick in all cases, but I'm sure
you could figure out a robust way of resorting them.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/25/2012 08:14 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>
>>>> John -
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your analysis of the data and observations.
>>>>
>>>> We will check into the reason for processing the "V-DD" string. I
thought that we were not using the direction information from the
observations. Rather, my intent was to solely use the optional output
flag for VL1L2 to compute the error statistics for wind direction from
the observed U and V data when running Stat-Analysis.
>>>>
>>>> On your recommendation regarding the disabling of VL1L2 line
type, I prefer to continue using that option per the reason stated
above to get wind direction error statistics from Stat-Analysis. I am
reconsidering the need for the VAL1L2 line type for vector anomaly
partial sums and also the SAL1L2 line type for scalar anomaly partial
sums since we are not currently analyzing this type of statistic for
lack of climatology data. No need to generate this output until we
have the climo data and the need to use it to generate these types of
statistics.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding your third point, Jeff Passner's comment in his
separate email is on the mark. We need to have a fix for the situation
which results in the incorrect order of the observation lines for GRIB
codes 33 and 34. We believe that this is due to the fact that there
are data being reported from two different stations which are using
the same identifier. This is a problem in the data source which we
have addressed separately with the MADIS data expert. It's good to
hear that when you edited the data to reorder it to follow the
convention expected by Point-Stat the problem went away.
>>>>
>>>> We are working on a way to use our case study data from FEB and
MAR 2012 which may contain the station or stations which report
different data using the same identifier so that each stations data
can be treated as separate observations. This way the processing will
not place the lines with GRIB codes 33 and 34 in incorrect order, so
we now feel more confident that once this is done the problem in
running Point-Stat will go away.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the fix to isolate instances where this incorrect
ordering occurs. We typically use 18 to 24 hours of observation files
for a given model run assessment containing 300 to 500+ observations
each which might contain these problems, so we really need a global
fix to preclude instances like this which have to be handled manually.
>>>>
>>>> R/
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:56 AM
>>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson,
Terry
>>>> C CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> A few comments ...
>>>>
>>>> First, in the point observation file (hr1_13Z.txt), I see that
you have GRIB codes of 2, 7, 11, 17, 32, 33, 34, and 52, but you also
have the string "V-DD". When you run that through ascii2nc, that
string gets interpreted as a numerical value of 0. Is there something
you missed here? Did you intend "V-DD" to get converted to some
meaningful GRIB code?
>>>>
>>>> Second, just to make sure you know, you can make that error go
away by disabling the output of the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 line types in the
"output_flag" parameter in the config file.
>>>>
>>>> Third, I ran this data through ascii2nc and point_stat and was
able to reproduce the error you're seeing. After some inspection, I
found the problem occurs when processing the 2526-th observation.
>>>> Since you're using ASCII data, that means you should look at line
2526 of the file (hr1_13Z.txt):
>>>>
>>>> 2525 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
1700.99 33 -9999 1700.99 3.484788
>>>> 2526 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742
1716.00 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809
>>>> 2527 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
1700.99 34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691
>>>> 2528 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742
>>>> 1716.00
>>>> 34
>>>> -9999 1716.00 -0.121727
>>>>
>>>> You see here that we have 33, 33, 34, 34, when we need it to be
33, 34, 33, 34. I tried reordering this data following this required
convention:
>>>>
>>>> ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 33 -9999
>>>> 1700.99 3.484788 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
>>>> 1700.99 34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400
>>>> 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809 ADPSFC MWSC1
>>>> 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 34 -9999 1716.00
>>>> -0.121727
>>>>
>>>> After doing this, the error went away and point_stat ran fine.
So it really is just a problem of the order of the observations - not
the fact that they're "duplicates".
>>>>
>>>> However, I realize that the error message from point_stat should
have told you the observation number that was causing the error. So
I've enhanced the error message in the development version to say the
following:
>>>>
>>>> ERROR :
>>>> ERROR : process_obs_file() -> for observation number 2526, when
computing VL1L2 and/or VAL1L2 vector winds each UGRD observation must
be followed by a VGRD observation with the same header and at the same
level.
>>>> ERROR :
>>>>
>>>> I think knowing the problematic observation number would have
helped isolate the problem more quickly.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> On 06/21/2012 12:26 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>>>
>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>
>>>>> John -
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for coming up on the net to offer help. There might be
something you could do from the MET side.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way that Point-Stat could read the data then ignore
without error the fact that the UGRD data was not followed by the VGRD
data for this particular station and others which might show up later?
The problem Point-Stat sees, at least as far as we can tell, is that
when this stations UGRD and VGRD data is processed to convert it to
the MET specific acsii format, the result is that this station's
report contains 2 lines containing the UGRD data followed by two lines
with the VGRD data, so when Point-Stat reads the data, it sees two
consecutive lines with UGRD in it and errors off with the statement:
“Can’t process vector winds…. a UGRD observation must be followed by a
VGRD observation”. No Point-Stat output is generated when this occurs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've attached an example text file (hr1_13Z.txt) which is
processed into the MET specific ascii format. I've also attached
another file (dupStationLog) which shows the duplicate data. Note the
order of the U and V wind component data.
>>>>>
>>>>> We suspect that this problem occurs only when the particular
station reports UGRD and VGRD. When Point-Stat processes data from
other duplicate stations which do not contain UGRD and VGRD data, it
continues without error. We are conducting testing to see if this is
the case.
>>>>>
>>>>> The fix for this problem in the data itself will probably have
to be arranged by the MADIS database administration, but their
potential fix may not address past data sets with which we are working
for some important case studies, so it would be nice if there was a
patched version of METV3.1 with a temporary fix to ignore the problem
and not consider that station's UGRD/VGRD data in the vector
calculation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> R/
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:02 AM
>>>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson,
>>>>> Terry C CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>>
>>>>> John,
>>>>>
>>>>> I see that you sent this as an issue for MET-Help. Is this
strictly an issue in the MADIS data or is there some behavior in
Point-Stat that is not working as you'd expect?
>>>>>
>>>>> In the upcoming version of MET, METv4.0, point_stat has been
enhanced to detect duplicate point observations using two different
criteria. I believe it would help in this case.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thu Jun 21 09:30:16 2012: Request 57097 was acted upon.
>>>>>> Transaction: Ticket created by leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>>>>> Queue: met_help
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations
(UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>>> Owner: Nobody
>>>>>> Requestors: leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>>>>> Status: new
>>>>>> Ticket <URL:
>>>>>> https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Raby,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a NWSLI sitename. Let me see why the lat/lons are
different.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Leon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Raby, John W CIV (US) <
>>>>>> john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leon -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My colleague Jeff Passner and Bob Flanigan have discovered
what
>>>>>>> appears to be a conflict in the naming of two different
mesonet
>>>>>>> surface stations. The stations are located in CA with the same
>>>>>>> name at two different locations and elevations. When we try to
>>>>>>> run the Model Evaluation Tool Point-Stat, it sees the conflict
>>>>>>> in the UGRD and VGRD data and flags the confusing order of the
>>>>>>> observation data as a problem with missing UGRD or VGRD data.
>>>>>>> Jeff inspected the downloaded MADIS files and located the
stations as follows:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MWSC1 elev 1716 m at 34.23210 and -118.0742 from the Mesowest
>>>>>>> network
>>>>>>> MWSC1 elev 1700.99 m at 34.23080 and -118.0711 from the CA
Hydro
>>>>>>> network
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The attached graphic show the 2 stations which are very close
to
>>>>>>> each other.
>>>>>>> In the graphic I labeled one with -A and the other with -B.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you correct this situation so that each station has a
unique
>>>>>>> identifier?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me know if you need more info.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> R/
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr John W. Raby, Meteorologist
>>>>>>> U.S. Army Research Laboratory
>>>>>>> White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002
>>>>>>> (575) 678-2004 DSN 258-2004
>>>>>>> FAX (575) 678-1230 DSN 258-1230
>>>>>>> Email: john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
>
>
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: John Halley Gotway
Time: Tue Jun 26 13:06:46 2012
John,
Yes, unfortunately you have found another mistake in the METv3.1
user's guide! In the user's guide it is listed at 13 and 14, while
the config file comments state 9 and 10. The latter is correct.
When there is a discrepancy between the user's guide and config file
comments, the config file comments are generally more reliable. But
please let us know of the discrepancies so we can update the
documentation.
In the METv4.0 documentation, the output type are described correctly.
Thanks,
John
On 06/26/2012 11:00 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>
> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> John -
>
> Thanks for your diagnostic work on this problem.
>
> I rechecked my config file which I just reposted to the ftp site
just in case I had sent the wrong one. The config file I thought I
used contains 15 entries. I had changed the 12th, 13th and 14th (based
on the example in the User's Guide) to 0 vice 2 to test the effect of
turning off the VL1L2, VAL1L2 and for good measure the SAL1L2. It was
with this setting that I saw the recurrence of the behavior having to
do with the UGRD followed by the VGRD.
>
> Even though I had modified the config file to update it to work with
MET V3.1, I consulted with the METV3.1 User's Guide to incorporate the
differences between the previous version and the current for the
various settings. I didn't worry about updating the comments.
>
>>From your email below, you stated that the 9th and 10th entries must
be changed to 0 to turn off the VL1L2, VAL1L2. Now I'm confused.
According to my User's Guide for METV3.1, the entries which correspond
to VL1L2, VAL1L2 are the 13th and 14th entries. The 9th and 10th
entries are for PJC and PRC.
>
> I agree with your point about using the default config files which
come with the software distribution as a way to assure compatibility.
I need to get in the habit of doing this for sure. Bob Flanigan
compiled METV4.0 yesterday, so we should all realize the benefit of
the improved config files soon.
>
> R/
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:20 AM
> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US); madis-
support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry C CIV
(US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> John,
>
> Alright, I pulled the data you sent and reproduced the behavior you
described. For a minute I was worried, but I think I've figured out
what's going on here.
>
> For some reason, the comments in the Point-Stat configuration file
you sent me are outdated. In METv2.0, the output_flag contained 13
entries. In METv3.0.1 and later releases, the output_flag contained
15 entries - we added 2 new ones for multi-category contingency
tables.
>
> Looking in the config file you sent me, the output_flag parameter
does in fact contain 15 entries. But the comments above only describe
13 entries! When I told you to turn off VL1L2 and VAL1L2, you
probably looked at the comments and set 7th and 8th entries to 0. But
if the comments were correct, you would have set the 9th and 10th
entries to 0. Just look at the comments in the file
METv3.1/data/config/PointStatConfig_default to see what I mean.
Please try setting the 9th and 10th entries to 0 and verify that the
error goes away.
>
> I'm guessing you started running MET using METv2.0 or earlier and
then slowly evolved you're config files by hand rather than using the
ones distributed with each release.
>
> I think this illustrates 2 points:
> - First, you should always start from the config files that are
distributed with the version of the code you're running.
> - Second, I think the change to the config files we made in METv4.0
is a good one. Rather than having this silly array of 0's, 1's, and
2's, we list each output line type and have the user set it to NONE,
STAT, or BOTH.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
> On 06/25/2012 03:07 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>
>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>> John -
>>
>> I uploaded a PrepBUFR observation file.
>>
>> I uploaded the MADIS observation file which contains the
problematic data where there are successive duplicate lines containing
the U and the V data for station MWSC1.
>>
>> I also uploaded the WRFPRS forecast file, the configuration file,
and a script file containing the command line.
>>
>> Let me know if you need something else.
>>
>> We did an experiment on the MADIS data by creating a new fictitious
station identifier MWSC2 and assigned to it the duplicated data which
came from the MADIS database as MWSC1. That way we separated the
duplicated data from the report for MWSC1 and assigned it to MWSC2.
Point-Stat ran fine on this data. This had the effect of breaking up
the data so that the lines with 33 and 34 code data are placed
consecutively in the file for each of these two stations rather than
the two sets of data being placed together with the code 33 line for
one being placed immediately after the other code 33 line which causes
the problem.
>>
>> We also performed another experiment by sorting the MADIS text file
as you suggested and Point-Stat ran fine.
>>
>> We noticed that a diff command shows the .cnt files produced by the
above are different. I checked the stats for 2m temperature (Z2 level)
and they are slightly different. Do you have any idea why the files
are different?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> R/
>> John
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:17 PM
>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson, Terry
C
>> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
>> John,
>>
>> The instructions are posted on our website:
>> http://www.dtcenter.org/met/users/support/met_help.php#ftp
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>
>> On 06/25/2012 12:47 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>
>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>
>>> John -
>>>
>>> Do you have instructions for uploading data? I have the files you
requested to be able to replicate the error, but the forecast file is
about 73 mb.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> R/
>>> John
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [met_help at ucar.edu]
>>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:36 AM
>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson,
Terry C
>>> CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Running the "sort" command with no options will just sort the data
>>> alphabetically from the beginning of the line to the end. If all
of
>>> the columns prior to lat/lon are identical, then it will sort by
lat/lon. The "sort" command has many command line options to control
how the sort is performed, including which field(s) are sorted (-k)
and whether it's a numeric sort (-n). I'd suggest reading up on
"sort" and playing around with it to get it to do exactly what you
want.
>>>
>>> In METv3.1, Point-Stat is not enforcing any uniqueness criteria
for
>>> the station id names or lat/lon locations. In fact Point-Stat
often uses "duplicate" observations in a single run when the time
window for the observations is set wide enough that it includes
multiple observation reports from the same station.
>>>
>>> However, we have enhanced Point-Stat in METv4.0 (which we should
be
>>> releasing later today) to apply some filtering logic when it
encounters duplicate observations. A description for the
"duplicate_flag" options is listed below.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> //
>>> // The "duplicate_flag" entry specifies how to handle duplicate
point
>>> // observations in Point-Stat and Ensemble-Stat. Three techniques
>>> are // currently supported:
>>> //
>>> // - "NONE" to use all point observations (legacy behavior)
>>> // - "UNIQUE" if two or more observations match identically
except in the
>>> // station ID field, only use a single observation
>>> // - "SINGLE" if two or more observations appear at a single
location
>>> // (lat, lon, level, elv), use only the observation that has
the valid
>>> // time closest to the forecast valid time
>>> //
>>> // The reporting mechanism for this feature can be activated by
>>> specifying // a verbosity level of three or higher. The report
will
>>> show information // about where duplicates were detected and which
>>> observations were used // in those cases.
>>> //
>>> duplicate_flag = NONE;
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/25/2012 10:54 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>
>>>> John -
>>>>
>>>> On the unix resorting, the way you did it below, will the
stations be ordered by Lat/Long? Does Point-Stat care if there are two
stations with the same identifier as long as the data is for distinct
Lat/Long locations? What happens if there are two stations with the
same Lat/Long?
>>>>
>>>> R/
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:46 AM
>>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson,
Terry
>>>> C CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>
>>>> John and Jeffrey,
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm, I'm a bit confused as to why disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2
did *NOT* make the error go away. I realized that I had been testing
using the latest development version of the code. So I switched to
using METv3.1, which I believe you are using. I tested using both
METv3.1 as originally released and METv3.1 with all of the posted
patches. In both cases, I was able to make that error go away by
disabling the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 output types in the configuration file.
>>>>
>>>> Now I understand that you do *NOT* want to disable them. But I'm
interested in this to make sure there isn't a bug in the code. Would
you be able to send me a small test case that demonstrates this
behavior? I'd need the forecast file, the NetCDF point observation
file, the configuration file, and the command line you're using to
call Point-Stat. If I can replicate the behavior here, I can figure
out how to fix it.
>>>>
>>>> Now, I wasn't suggesting that you correct this problem in the
data by hand. I just wanted to point out to you exactly where in the
data the error was occurring. I believe you could just resort the
input observations before running them through ascii2nc. In fact, the
unix sort command with no additional arguments produces the desired
result:
>>>> sort hr1_13Z.txt > hr1_13Z_sort.txt
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure if that'll do the trick in all cases, but I'm sure
you could figure out a robust way of resorting them.
>>>>
>>>> Hope that helps.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 06/25/2012 08:14 AM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>>>
>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>
>>>>> John -
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your analysis of the data and observations.
>>>>>
>>>>> We will check into the reason for processing the "V-DD" string.
I thought that we were not using the direction information from the
observations. Rather, my intent was to solely use the optional output
flag for VL1L2 to compute the error statistics for wind direction from
the observed U and V data when running Stat-Analysis.
>>>>>
>>>>> On your recommendation regarding the disabling of VL1L2 line
type, I prefer to continue using that option per the reason stated
above to get wind direction error statistics from Stat-Analysis. I am
reconsidering the need for the VAL1L2 line type for vector anomaly
partial sums and also the SAL1L2 line type for scalar anomaly partial
sums since we are not currently analyzing this type of statistic for
lack of climatology data. No need to generate this output until we
have the climo data and the need to use it to generate these types of
statistics.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding your third point, Jeff Passner's comment in his
separate email is on the mark. We need to have a fix for the situation
which results in the incorrect order of the observation lines for GRIB
codes 33 and 34. We believe that this is due to the fact that there
are data being reported from two different stations which are using
the same identifier. This is a problem in the data source which we
have addressed separately with the MADIS data expert. It's good to
hear that when you edited the data to reorder it to follow the
convention expected by Point-Stat the problem went away.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are working on a way to use our case study data from FEB and
MAR 2012 which may contain the station or stations which report
different data using the same identifier so that each stations data
can be treated as separate observations. This way the processing will
not place the lines with GRIB codes 33 and 34 in incorrect order, so
we now feel more confident that once this is done the problem in
running Point-Stat will go away.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the fix to isolate instances where this incorrect
ordering occurs. We typically use 18 to 24 hours of observation files
for a given model run assessment containing 300 to 500+ observations
each which might contain these problems, so we really need a global
fix to preclude instances like this which have to be handled manually.
>>>>>
>>>>> R/
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:56 AM
>>>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson,
Terry
>>>>> C CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>>
>>>>> John,
>>>>>
>>>>> A few comments ...
>>>>>
>>>>> First, in the point observation file (hr1_13Z.txt), I see that
you have GRIB codes of 2, 7, 11, 17, 32, 33, 34, and 52, but you also
have the string "V-DD". When you run that through ascii2nc, that
string gets interpreted as a numerical value of 0. Is there something
you missed here? Did you intend "V-DD" to get converted to some
meaningful GRIB code?
>>>>>
>>>>> Second, just to make sure you know, you can make that error go
away by disabling the output of the VL1L2 and VAL1L2 line types in the
"output_flag" parameter in the config file.
>>>>>
>>>>> Third, I ran this data through ascii2nc and point_stat and was
able to reproduce the error you're seeing. After some inspection, I
found the problem occurs when processing the 2526-th observation.
>>>>> Since you're using ASCII data, that means you should look at
line 2526 of the file (hr1_13Z.txt):
>>>>>
>>>>> 2525 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
1700.99 33 -9999 1700.99 3.484788
>>>>> 2526 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742
1716.00 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809
>>>>> 2527 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
1700.99 34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691
>>>>> 2528 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742
>>>>> 1716.00
>>>>> 34
>>>>> -9999 1716.00 -0.121727
>>>>>
>>>>> You see here that we have 33, 33, 34, 34, when we need it to be
33, 34, 33, 34. I tried reordering this data following this required
convention:
>>>>>
>>>>> ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711 1700.99 33 -9999
>>>>> 1700.99 3.484788 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400 34.23080 -118.0711
>>>>> 1700.99 34 -9999 1700.99 -0.121691 ADPSFC MWSC1 20120530_131400
>>>>> 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 33 -9999 1716.00 3.485809 ADPSFC
MWSC1
>>>>> 20120530_131400 34.23210 -118.0742 1716.00 34 -9999 1716.00
>>>>> -0.121727
>>>>>
>>>>> After doing this, the error went away and point_stat ran fine.
So it really is just a problem of the order of the observations - not
the fact that they're "duplicates".
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I realize that the error message from point_stat should
have told you the observation number that was causing the error. So
I've enhanced the error message in the development version to say the
following:
>>>>>
>>>>> ERROR :
>>>>> ERROR : process_obs_file() -> for observation number 2526, when
computing VL1L2 and/or VAL1L2 vector winds each UGRD observation must
be followed by a VGRD observation with the same header and at the same
level.
>>>>> ERROR :
>>>>>
>>>>> I think knowing the problematic observation number would have
helped isolate the problem more quickly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> On 06/21/2012 12:26 PM, Raby, John W USA CIV via RT wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <URL: https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097 >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for coming up on the net to offer help. There might be
something you could do from the MET side.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a way that Point-Stat could read the data then ignore
without error the fact that the UGRD data was not followed by the VGRD
data for this particular station and others which might show up later?
The problem Point-Stat sees, at least as far as we can tell, is that
when this stations UGRD and VGRD data is processed to convert it to
the MET specific acsii format, the result is that this station's
report contains 2 lines containing the UGRD data followed by two lines
with the VGRD data, so when Point-Stat reads the data, it sees two
consecutive lines with UGRD in it and errors off with the statement:
“Can’t process vector winds…. a UGRD observation must be followed by a
VGRD observation”. No Point-Stat output is generated when this occurs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've attached an example text file (hr1_13Z.txt) which is
processed into the MET specific ascii format. I've also attached
another file (dupStationLog) which shows the duplicate data. Note the
order of the U and V wind component data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We suspect that this problem occurs only when the particular
station reports UGRD and VGRD. When Point-Stat processes data from
other duplicate stations which do not contain UGRD and VGRD data, it
continues without error. We are conducting testing to see if this is
the case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fix for this problem in the data itself will probably have
to be arranged by the MADIS database administration, but their
potential fix may not address past data sets with which we are working
for some important case studies, so it would be nice if there was a
patched version of METV3.1 with a temporary fix to ignore the problem
and not consider that station's UGRD/VGRD data in the vector
calculation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> R/
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: John Halley Gotway via RT [mailto:met_help at ucar.edu]
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:02 AM
>>>>>> To: Benjamin, Leon A CTR (US)
>>>>>> Cc: Passner, Jeffrey E CIV (US); Raby, John W CIV (US);
>>>>>> madis-support at noaa.gov; Flanigan, Robert T CIV (US); Jameson,
>>>>>> Terry C CIV (US); Raby, Yasmina R CTR (US)
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [rt.rap.ucar.edu #57097] Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc
>>>>>> mesonet stations (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see that you sent this as an issue for MET-Help. Is this
strictly an issue in the MADIS data or is there some behavior in
Point-Stat that is not working as you'd expect?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the upcoming version of MET, METv4.0, point_stat has been
enhanced to detect duplicate point observations using two different
criteria. I believe it would help in this case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thu Jun 21 09:30:16 2012: Request 57097 was acted upon.
>>>>>>> Transaction: Ticket created by leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>>>>>> Queue: met_help
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Conflict in MADIS sfc mesonet stations
(UNCLASSIFIED)
>>>>>>> Owner: Nobody
>>>>>>> Requestors: leon.a.benjamin at noaa.gov
>>>>>>> Status: new
>>>>>>> Ticket <URL:
>>>>>>> https://rt.rap.ucar.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=57097
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Raby,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a NWSLI sitename. Let me see why the lat/lons are
different.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Leon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Raby, John W CIV (US) <
>>>>>>> john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leon -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My colleague Jeff Passner and Bob Flanigan have discovered
what
>>>>>>>> appears to be a conflict in the naming of two different
mesonet
>>>>>>>> surface stations. The stations are located in CA with the
same
>>>>>>>> name at two different locations and elevations. When we try
to
>>>>>>>> run the Model Evaluation Tool Point-Stat, it sees the
conflict
>>>>>>>> in the UGRD and VGRD data and flags the confusing order of
the
>>>>>>>> observation data as a problem with missing UGRD or VGRD data.
>>>>>>>> Jeff inspected the downloaded MADIS files and located the
stations as follows:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MWSC1 elev 1716 m at 34.23210 and -118.0742 from the Mesowest
>>>>>>>> network
>>>>>>>> MWSC1 elev 1700.99 m at 34.23080 and -118.0711 from the CA
Hydro
>>>>>>>> network
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The attached graphic show the 2 stations which are very close
to
>>>>>>>> each other.
>>>>>>>> In the graphic I labeled one with -A and the other with -B.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you correct this situation so that each station has a
unique
>>>>>>>> identifier?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let me know if you need more info.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> R/
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mr John W. Raby, Meteorologist
>>>>>>>> U.S. Army Research Laboratory
>>>>>>>> White Sands Missile Range, NM 88002
>>>>>>>> (575) 678-2004 DSN 258-2004
>>>>>>>> FAX (575) 678-1230 DSN 258-1230
>>>>>>>> Email: john.w.raby2.civ at mail.mil
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>>
>>
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> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
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