[Go-essp-tech] How does "experiment=volcanic aerosol" come to be in CMIP5?

[Bryan Lawrence]

Hi Karl
One might get more information from a sql query on the CIM database, or get it easier.
I'd discuss it with Eric and Gerry before you did anything.
Cheers
Bryan


> Bryan & Balaji,
> 
> I'm all for what's straightforward.   I'm also for putting together a 
> summary of this information sooner, rather than later.  I think the IPCC 
> authors already put together a table for the normal "historical" runs.  
> Couldn't we just download one file from each of the historicalMisc runs, 
> and write a script to read what's in the global "forcing" attribute?  
> We'd create a 3-column table with model name, p-value, and the list of 
> forcings.  This would take someone a few hours, of course, and would 
> assume folks had correctly recorded the forcings in the attribute, but 
> we could do this now, and not wait for everyone to complete the metafor 
> questionnaire.
> 
> On the other hand, perhaps the documentation will become available soon 
> enough not to warrant the extra work.  what do you think?
> 
> thanks,
> Karl
> 
> On 2/17/12 8:21 AM, V Balaji wrote:
> > Agreed!
> >
> > I think the effort Karl is proposing to undertake (to tabulate the
> > forcings associated with each p-value for each model) is a monumental
> > one without CIM metadata, and reasonably straightforward using the
> > CIM.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:32 AM, Bryan Lawrence
> > <bryan.lawrence at ncas.ac.uk>  wrote:
> >> Hi Gary
> >>
> >> This is precisely what the metadata side of things is supposed to pick up. Future versions of the user interface will have links between data and metadata, so you can click through to the distinguishing factors, which hopefully will have been entered in the simulation descriptions.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Bryan
> >>
> >>> Hi Gary,
> >>>
> >>> To be sure, the experiment_id for the CCCMA dataset shown below was (if
> >>> correct) "historicalMisc".  When they published it, they chose to name
> >>> the experiment "volcanic aerosol".  This is informational but is not
> >>> used by the ESG search engines or in any other automatic processing that
> >>> I know of.  (I thought whoever was publishing would just put in
> >>> experiment="historicalMisc", so it would be consistent with the
> >>> experiment_id global attribute.)
> >>>
> >>> I don't think we've provided much guidance about this (outside the DRS
> >>> document), but for each different combination of forcings in the
> >>> historicalMisc runs, you should assign a different "physics_version"
> >>> number (i.e., the "p" in the ensemble identifier, which in the example
> >>> below is "p3").  You should also record in the global "forcing"
> >>> attribute in the netCDF file each of the forcings included in each of
> >>> your historical(Misc) runs.  If you do an ensemble of runs with the same
> >>> forcing, they should all have the same "p" value and be distinguished by
> >>> the "r" values.  The standard abbreviations for each forcing are
> >>> provided in the last appendix of the DRS document and also can be found
> >>> at
> >>> http://cmip-pcmdi.llnl.gov/cmip5/docs/cmip5_data_reference_Appendix1-2.pdf
> >>> [Note that the output_requirements, available at
> >>> http://cmip-pcmdi.llnl.gov/cmip5/docs/CMIP5_output_metadata_requirements.pdf
> >>> , describes the "forcing" attribute.]
> >>>
> >>> I would like to put together a table that provides a key showing which
> >>> forcings are included for each model and for each value of "p"; I just
> >>> haven't gotten to this yet.
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know if you can think of any way to make this clearer to
> >>> everyone.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Karl
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 2/16/12 7:31 AM, Gary Strand wrote:
> >>>> At what point (publishing?) does one of an "historicalMisc" experiment
> >>>> (as defined and required by the CMIP5 tables) get displayed as:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like our (NCAR) "historicalMisc" datasets have a bit more
> >>>> information available than just the standard (as described in the DRS
> >>>> document) "historical simulation but with other individual forcing
> >>>> agents or combinations of forcings."
> >>>>
> >>>> We have a whole slew of variations that are not readily
> >>>> distinguishable (and less likely usable) by the above generic description.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks!
> >>>>
> >>>> Gary Strand
> >>>> strandwg at ucar.edu
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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Bryan Lawrence
University of Reading:  Professor of Weather and Climate Computing.
National Centre for Atmospheric Science: Director of Models and Data. 
STFC: Director of the Centre for Environmental Data Archival.
Ph: +44 118 3786507 or 1235 445012; Web:home.badc.rl.ac.uk/lawrence