[Go-essp-tech] [esgf-devel] Changing checksums without changing version number ?

[Karl Taylor]

Hi Stephane and Stephen,

I agree with Stephen that what you should do is not obvious, but I think 
least confusing is to indeed publish as a new version. We'll need to 
work to make easily accessible information about how versions differ (or 
don't) so as to avoid folks reanalyzing output when it is unnecessary.

Karl

On 12/20/12 2:42 AM, stephen.pascoe at stfc.ac.uk wrote:
> Hi Stephane,
>
> This is a difficult use case to resolve.  I have broadened the thread to go-essp-tech because it affects the whole plan of how we keep track of changing data.
>
> My opinion is that you should publish this data as a new version.  We have been assuming that each dataset version has a stable set of checksums.  We'd like to build tools around this assumption that checks the integrity of the archive (admittedly we haven't got there yet).
>
> If you republish files as the same versions but with different checksums we cannot tell that only the metadata has changed.  Thinking about the archive as a whole, we have to assume that any file-versions that change checksum could be different data and flag it as such.  It would be better to create a new version and document that this version is a trivial change.
>
> Unfortunately we don't have a good system for documenting these version transitions.  BADC did produce a web-app for this some months ago but it didn't catch on [1].  Also there is a wiki page [2] where you can note down data provider issues but I doubt any users know it exists.  If you record what you've done in one of those places the knowledge will not be lost.
>
> [1] http://cmip-ingest1.badc.rl.ac.uk/drscomm/search/ (Contact Ag Stephens for details: CC'd above)
> [2] http://esgf.org/wiki/CMIP5ProviderFAQ
>
> Cheers,
> Stephen.
>
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> Centre of Environmental Data Archival
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-esgf-devel at lists.llnl.gov [mailto:owner-esgf-devel at lists.llnl.gov] On Behalf Of Stéphane Senesi
> Sent: 19 December 2012 16:58
> To: esgf-devel at lists.llnl.gov
> Subject: [esgf-devel] Changing checksums without changing version number ?
>
> Dear all,
>
> We experienced a failure of a disk array for our CMIP5 data's ESG datanode. We are able to produce again the same data and metadata, except that, in each NetCDF file, a small part of the "history" metadata is changed (namely the date of the last setting for some metadata).
> Hence, the cheksum does change, and we have no way to avoid it.
>
> We can either re-publish the affected datasets with a new version number or with the same version number.
>
> In the first case, all users may think that the data is new, and will have to consider if they want to download it again, and, if they do, may eventually complain that we generate additional non-sensical work
>
> In the second one, meticulous users will complain that the checksums in our thredds catalog are not the same as the checksums for the files they have already downloaded
>
> What is the best way forward ? I suspect it is the second one, because checksums are not supposed to be data identifiers but only used for check of data corruption immediately after the transfer. But does everybody agree with that ?
>
> Regards
>
>
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