<div dir="ltr">Hi Thierry:<div><br></div><div>Thanks for making me aware of this.</div><div><br></div><div>It looks like it could be very helpful.</div><div><br></div><div>At the moment, with the setup I have, I haven't had a CFL complaint yet, but the run has a long way to go.</div><div><br></div><div>I wonder how sensitive results are to time step. I mention this because if you are trying to compare forecasts at different resolutions and the time steps are different (meaning as a multiple of grid spacing), then this might affect the validity of the comparison.</div><div><br></div><div>Barry</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 10:44 AM, HEDDE Thierry 137147 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thierry.hedde@cea.fr" target="_blank">thierry.hedde@cea.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Barry and thanks for the CFLs notes<br>
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I would add to point 5 (reduce time step)<br>
6) Use the adaptative_time_step option which is working well with WRF 3.9.1<br>
Here is the classical tuning, I'm using for it (-1 means : automatic) for a 2 domains run (9km, 3km) fed with gfs 0.25°<br>
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&domains<br>
use_adaptive_time_step = .true.,<br>
step_to_output_time = .true.,<br>
target_cfl = 1.2, 1.2<br>
target_hcfl = .84, .84,<br>
max_step_increase_pct = 5, 51,<br>
starting_time_step = -1, -1,<br>
max_time_step = -1, -1,<br>
min_time_step = -1, -1,<br>
adaptation_domain = 1,<br>
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I'm testing it for my operational daily prognostics over France and as far as now, I've noticed no crash, it's quicker and the prognostic quality looks the same (qualitatively)<br>
The timestep is mainly at 8*DX during the run but sometimes adapts itself down to 4*DX<br>
Cheers<br>
Thierry<br>
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Hello:<br>
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I had some problems with CFLS when setting up my 12/4 km domain.<br>
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I had particular points which (at almost every time step) had CFL "errors."<br>
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There are few things to do about this.<br>
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1) Change epssm to be closer to 0.5, rather than 0.1 (or 0.2).<br>
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2) Set smooth_option = 2 (this smoothes near the boundaries of the inner<br>
domain.)<br>
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3) Set smooth_cg_top = .true. (smoothes topography near boundary of outer<br>
domain.)<br>
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These steps together can reduce the number of CFLs.<br>
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4) damp_opt = 3 (reduces upper level instability; CFLs occurring at upper levels).<br>
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However, one other, but very important note, is to be sure to place the boundaries of the inner domain away from steep terrain (see attached pdf. I had CFLS near the right boundary until I moved the right upper boundary into the water.)<br>
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5) Lastly, if you get CFLs during severe or strong storms, you may have to reduce the timestep from 6 to 5 or even 4 times the grid size (at least until you've passed the period of greater model instability).<br>
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Barry Lynn<br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Barry H. Lynn, Ph.D<div><div>Senior Lecturer,</div><div><div><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)">The Institute of the Earth Science, </span><br style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)">The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, </span><br style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)">Givat Ram, Jerusalem 91904, Israel </span><br style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"></div><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)">Tel: 972 547 231 170</span><br style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)">Fax: (972)-25662581</span></div></div><div><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><br></span></div><div>C.E.O, Weather It Is, LTD<br>Weather and Climate Focus<br><a href="http://weather-it-is.com" target="_blank">http://weather-it-is.com</a><br>Jerusalem, Israel<br>Local: 02 930 9525<br>Cell: 054 7 231 170<br>Int-IS: x972 2 930 9525<br>US 914 432 3108<br></div></div></div>
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