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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I think this discussion has forked into 2 topics: 1. "risk that science is done using deprecated data", 2. "future ESGF InformationArchitecture". Jamie was
trying to get back to #1 and I think that's a good move. Maybe we could discuss #2 on the thread I started yesterday about THREDDS? I'll try and write something more on these later if I have time ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">P.S. I did attach my THREDDS doc to the THREDDS Interface working group page. It could equally have been put in the InformationArchitecture since the long-term
ambition of it is to address that topic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Stephen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">Stephen Pascoe +44 (0)1235 445980<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">Centre of Environmental Data Archival<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">STFC Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Harwell Oxford, Didcot OX11 0QX, UK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> owner-esgf-devel@lists.llnl.gov
[mailto:owner-esgf-devel@lists.llnl.gov] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kettleborough, Jamie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 13 March 2012 10:03<br>
<b>To:</b> Gavin M. Bell<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mark Morgan; Tobias Weigel; V Balaji; go-essp-tech@ucar.edu; esgf-devel@lists.llnl.gov; Kettleborough, Jamie<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [esgf-devel] RE: [Go-essp-tech] What is the risk that science is done using'deprecated' data?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Hello Gavin,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">I'm not sure I understand all of what you say here - I'm too slow to keep up, sorry. I think you are basically happy for this issue of "minimising the risk of users
looking at 'deprecated CMIP5 data'" to go on the agenda at the next telco. Is that right?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Jamie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> 12 March 2012 21:34<br>
<b>To:</b> Kettleborough, Jamie<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mark Morgan; Tobias Weigel; V Balaji; go-essp-tech@ucar.edu; esgf-devel@lists.llnl.gov<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Go-essp-tech] What is the risk that science is done using'deprecated' data?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi, <br>
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IMHO, I think we need to simple discuss a quick cost/benefit analysis of this endeavor. Why do we need this grammar? What it enables? Why is that important? and then How would we go about doing it... and what resources are involved. Basically, is the juice
worth the squeeze. The basic thinking I have on this is that it would be a good thing to know the shape of the catalog in so far as the shape of it will enable new capabilities. If the benefit of knowing the shape of this box "only" makes life easier for
those doing machinations at that level... then... well, that is what we should find out. Is it on fire? Or is this a Cassandra moment - as I have been having on this topic for over a year and a half. Thus far it has not moved into the realm of "on fire"
which leads me to perhaps believe that this kind of thing is best left to a select and motivated few that should go off and fix it and then report back so we all can leverage it. I don't think there needs to be a lot of sausage makers here. This is why I
proposed that Stephen start a working group if one is not already there. <br>
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Oops.. that reminds me, making a working group page fell off my radar after the F2F... I will do that. For now I recommend appending this task to that of the Information Architecture (Data Model) Interface Group that Stephen is already the lead on. :-) How
serendipitous. :-)<br>
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<a href="http://esgf.org/wiki/ESGFInterfaceGroups">http://esgf.org/wiki/ESGFInterfaceGroups</a><br>
<a href="http://esgf.org/wiki/ESGFInterfaceGroups/InformationArchitecture">http://esgf.org/wiki/ESGFInterfaceGroups/InformationArchitecture</a>
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On 3/12/12 5:41 AM, Kettleborough, Jamie wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">I'm not quite sure how to respond to all the replies to this - I'm not sure I understand all the terms used for one thing - but thanks to everyone for engaging in
this discussion.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">I think there is agreement that anything too new or innovative on this should not be done until CMIP6+. *BUT* I think we still have to ask whether we are happy
with the current level of risk at CMIP5, and if not what can we do about it? If we leave it all to CMIP6+ then fine, but I *think* that is equivalent to an implied 'yes we can live with this level of risk at CMIP5'.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Gavin - I think you offered a slot on the Telco to talk about this. I think that is a good idea - with the focus being on what we can do for CMIP5. This may be
more a project management type issue rather than some deep technical discussion, but *my* feeling is its sufficiently important that it is worth talking about it. (But I don't have all the information, so can be ignored and I won't be upset). Anyone agree?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Thanks again,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Morgan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 March 2012 10:55<br>
<b>To:</b> Tobias Weigel<br>
<b>Cc:</b> V Balaji; <a href="mailto:go-essp-tech@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech@ucar.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Go-essp-tech] What is the risk that science is done using'deprecated' data?</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In relation to CMIP6+ there really needs to be stronger focus upon
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<p class="MsoNormal">For this particular problem I am thinking particularly of test driven development. I.E. after a
<u>formal definition</u> of the problem space, develop a <u>test framework</u> for testing possible solutions prior to trying to implement a solution. This will ensure that you have understood the problem space correctly whilst guaranteeing the robustness
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'd be very much interested in such a discussion in ExArch, not just because it provides a sane hashing methodology, but also because this 'dataset essence' has a large overlap with information I would feel is useful to attach directly
to persistent identifiers. Might even be exactly that, but might be a bit larger.<br>
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Best, Tobias<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Platonic essence, the Atman, the soul of a dataset.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 2:26 AM,<<a href="mailto:stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk">stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That would definitely help but I don't think it's sufficient. How many of us would notice if a centre republished the same dataset (same dataset_id and facet metadata) with different checksums? Estani would I expect :-) but the system
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<p class="MsoNormal">As you say, it's too late to do much re-engineering of the system now -- we've attempted to put in place various identifier systems and none of them are working particularly well -- however I think there is another perspective to your proposal:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1. ESG/CMIP5 is deployed globally across multiple administrative domains and each domain has the ability to cut corners to get things done, e.g. replacing files silently without changing identifiers.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">these are important questions I have been wondering about as well; we just had a small internal meeting yesterday with Estani and Martina, so I'll try to sum some points up here. I am not too familiar with the ESG publishing process, so
I can only guess that Stephen's #1 has something to do with the bending of policies that are for pragmatic reasons not enforced in the CMIP5 process. (My intuition is that *ideally* it should be impossible to make data available without going through the whole
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<p class="MsoNormal">Most of what I have been thinking about however concerns point #2. I'd claim that the risk here should not be underestimated; data consumers being unable to find the data they need is bad ("the advanced search issue"), but users relying
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<p class="MsoNormal">My suggestion to address this problem is to use globally persistent identifiers (PIDs) that are automatically assigned to data objects (and metadata etc.) on ESG-publication; data should ideally not be known by its file name or system-internal
ID, but via a global identifier that never changes after it has been published. Of course, this sounds like the DOIs, but these are extremely coarse grained and very static. The idea is to attach identifiers to the low-level entities and provide solutions
to build up a hierarchical ID system (virtual collections) to account for the various layers used in our data. Such persistent identifiers should then be placed prominently in any user interface dealing with managed data. The important thing is: If data is
updated, we don't update the data behind identifier x, but assign a new identifier y and create a typed link between these two (which may be the most challenging part) and perhaps put a small annotation on x that this data is depreca<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Stephen - being selfish - we aren't too worried about 2 as its less of an issue for us (we do a daily trawl of thredds catalogues for new datasets), but I agree it is a problem more generally. I don't have a feel for which of the problems
1-3 would minimise the risk most if you solved it. I think making sure new data has a new version is a foundation though.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From: <a href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a><<a href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">[<a href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Sébastien Denvil<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I can imagine there is a risk of papers being written on<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">deprecated data in two scenarios:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> 1. Data is being updated at datanodes without creating a<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> 2. Users are unaware of new versions available and<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">therefore using<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">deprecated data<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Are you concerned about both of these scenarios? Your<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">email seems to mainly address #1.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Stephen.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 8 Mar 2012, at 10:21, Kettleborough, Jamie wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Does anyone have a feel for the current level of risk that<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">are doing work (with the intention to publish) on data<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">found to be wrong by the data providers and so deprecated (in some<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My feeling is that versioning isn't working (that may be<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">putting it a<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">bit strongly. It is too easy for data providers - in their<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">understandable drive to get their data out - to have<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">disk without publishing a new version. How big a deal does anyone<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">think this is?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If the risk that papers are being written based on<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">sufficiently large then is there an agreed strategy for<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">this? Does it have implications for the requirements of the data<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">publishing/delivery system?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jamie<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">GO-ESSP-TECH mailing list<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:GO-ESSP-TECH@ucar.edu">GO-ESSP-TECH@ucar.edu</a><<a href="mailto:GO-ESSP-TECH@ucar.edu">mailto:GO-ESSP-TECH@ucar.edu</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://mailman.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/go-essp-tech">http://mailman.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/go-essp-tech</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sébastien Denvil<o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
-- <br>
Tobias Weigel<br>
<br>
Department of Data Management<br>
Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum GmbH (German Climate Computing Center)<br>
Bundesstr. 45a<br>
20146 Hamburg<br>
Germany<br>
<br>
Tel.: +49 40 460094 104<br>
E-Mail: <a href="mailto:weigel@dkrz.de">weigel@dkrz.de</a><br>
Website: <a href="http://www.dkrz.de">www.dkrz.de</a><br>
<br>
Managing Director: Prof. Dr. Thomas Ludwig<br>
<br>
Sitz der Gesellschaft: Hamburg<br>
Amtsgericht Hamburg HRB 39784<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#540000">Mark Morgan</span></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#540000">Software Architect / Engineer</span></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#540000">Institut Pierre Simon Laplace (IPSL),</span></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#540000">Université Pierre Marie Curie,</span></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#540000">4 Place Jussieu,</span></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#540000">Tour 45-55, Salle #207,</span></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#540000">France.</span></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#540000">Tel : +33 (0) 1 44 27 49 10</span></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre>Gavin M. Bell<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Lawrence Livermore National Labs<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre> "Never mistake a clear view for a short distance."<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> -Paul Saffo<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>(GPG Key - <a href="http://rainbow.llnl.gov/dist/keys/gavin.asc">http://rainbow.llnl.gov/dist/keys/gavin.asc</a>)<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre> A796 CE39 9C31 68A4 52A7 1F6B 66B7 B250 21D5 6D3E<o:p></o:p></pre>
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