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Hi,<br>
<br>
I haven't read Luca's list, but the current one looks already long
enough to me (although I've commented on a longer list indeed).<br>
The way I see it we have three different requirement categories to
cope with:<br>
<br>
1) AR5: This is immediate and involves letting people access data
and being able to cite it at the papers being currently written.
This requirement is already due and there are still issues that need
to be addressed.<br>
2) CMIP5 (general): a mid term goal which extends beyond the AR5
deadline. It involves preserving data for more time and probably
more efficiently. Although it's already due it involves a longer
timespan as data will keep on arriving even after the AR5 deadline.
Tools enabling the comparison and trimming or computing of data are
key in this step.<br>
3) Climate data portals: This is a longer term goal which involves
many features, some of them already developed. To plan for the
future we need a comparison in these fields.<br>
<br>
This is very simplistic, but I think the main idea is still there.
Feel free to correct me.<br>
There are a lot of features that are nice and some even great, but
we are still lacking the basics (according to the help-desk). People
are desperate to get the data and for one reason or another, we are
not performing as well as we should.<br>
<br>
My 2c,<br>
Estani<br>
<br>
Am 11.01.2012 10:55, schrieb <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk:">stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk:</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi
Luca,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This
is where deciding the scope of the matrix gets difficult. I
can agree with some of your requirements but many seem too
P2P focused to me. So I'll respond point-by-point to your
sheet soon but expect some push-back on what is in and out
of scope. I'm not ready to relinquish control over this
yet. No-one is completely neutral in this debate but
someone has to hold the ring.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We
need to be focused on what this sheet is for. It is not for
planning general ESGF development (at least not at this
stage). It is for planning how we meet the requirements for
CMIP5. I.e. what we promised WGCM and what users are asking
for. In the short term this sheet is to help us fix the
terrible usability and performance problems we have. There
are 2 potential solutions and we need to decide which to
deploy in the short/medium and long term. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
think it is vital that we stick to functional requirements
as far as possible. Some non-functional requirements are
needed, like consistency and performance, but having too
many subjective non-functional requirements will make the
matrix useless. I actually resisted including sections 12
and 13 (deployment and development) because I think they are
subjective and difficult to agree on. However, others were
very keen to have them in so I included them. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I'll
get back to you in more detail asap.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Stephen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">Stephen
Pascoe +44 (0)1235 445980<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">Centre
of Environmental Data Archival<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">STFC
Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Harwell Oxford, Didcot
OX11 0QX, UK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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lang="EN-US"> Cinquini, Luca (3880)
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:Luca.Cinquini@jpl.nasa.gov">mailto:Luca.Cinquini@jpl.nasa.gov</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 10 January 2012 19:06<br>
<b>To:</b> V Balaji<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Pascoe, Stephen (STFC,RAL,RALSP);
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:go-essp-tech@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech@ucar.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Go-essp-tech] CMIP5 Web interface
requirements matrix<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt">Hi Stephen, Balaj et all,<br>
I added many more requirements to Stephen's
original spreadsheet, including IPSL's download tool. I
marked the spreadsheet with tomorrow's date to indicate
it's an updated version.<br>
thanks, Luca<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Jan 10, 2012, at 10:30 AM, V Balaji wrote:<br>
<br>
> Following up on the discussion of command line
tools on this call, I<br>
> would like to propose adding Sebastien's
synchro_data to the list of<br>
> gateways!<br>
> <br>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Cinquini, Luca
(3880)<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Luca.Cinquini@jpl.nasa.gov"><Luca.Cinquini@jpl.nasa.gov></a> wrote:<br>
>> Hi Stephen,<br>
>> so what is the process for adding requirements
to this list ? As I<br>
>> mentioned, there are many other items that
should be part of a full<br>
>> evaluation. Should I just send an update
version to your list ?<br>
>> thanks, Luca<br>
>> <br>
>> On Jan 10, 2012, at 9:31 AM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk"><stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk></a><br>
>> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk"><stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk></a> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> In response to a query on the telco: the sheet
I sent is the latest,<br>
>> although I have not included notes from MOHC
and DKRZ therefore the size of<br>
>> many cells are smaller. I was thinking we
should make a clean start with<br>
>> this wider release of the sheet. Also the
snazzy colour coding hasn't<br>
>> survived translation from OpenOffice to XLS but
that's not important.<br>
>> <br>
>> Stephen.<br>
>> <br>
>> ---<br>
>> Stephen Pascoe +44 (0)1235 445980<br>
>> Centre of Environmental Data Archival<br>
>> STFC Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Harwell
Oxford, Didcot OX11 0QX, UK<br>
>> <br>
>> From: Pascoe, Stephen (STFC,RAL,RALSP)<br>
>> Sent: 10 January 2012 14:32<br>
>> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:go-essp-tech@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech@ucar.edu</a><br>
>> Subject: CMIP5 Web interface requirements
matrix<br>
>> <br>
>> Dear all,<br>
>> <br>
>> To help the CMIP5 centres plan our upgrade to
the next major release of the<br>
>> CMIP5 archive system BADC has been collating a<br>
>> spreadsheet of web interface requirements with
input from PCMDI, DKRZ and<br>
>> MOHC (see attached). We hope to use this sheet
as a tool to plan migration<br>
>> of the CMIP5 web interface at the main CMIP5
centres: PCMDI, BADC and DKRZ.<br>
>> <br>
>> The sheet is still work in progress and there
is lots to discuss and<br>
>> clarify. I have begun to suggest scores for
the three systems being<br>
>> considered, Gateway 1.3.4, Gateway 2.0 and P2P,
but these are speculative at<br>
>> this stage, particularly for the P2P system
with which I have the least<br>
>> experience.<br>
>> <br>
>> If there is time I'd like to briefly introduce
the sheet at the GO-ESSP<br>
>> telco today and schedule a time for a more
thorough discussion.<br>
>> <br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>> Stephen.<br>
>> <br>
>> ---<br>
>> Stephen Pascoe +44 (0)1235 445980<br>
>> Centre of Environmental Data Archival<br>
>> STFC Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Harwell
Oxford, Didcot OX11 0QX, UK<br>
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