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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=791455809-19122011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Hello Karl,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=791455809-19122011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>I think those are the two key points on check sums - checking
integrity, and versioning. Will data node managers know how to update
their catalogs in a safe way? (I think this means ensuring the checksums get
updated in the right place, preferably without generating new dataset
versions).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=791455809-19122011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>But why is everyone suddenly picking on data producers: first
we were getting a hard time for making mistakes and having to submit new
versions, now we are lazy? (I'd do a smiley, but verbosity is more my
style). </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=791455809-19122011><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>There is quite a bit of 'stuff' to manage when
producing data - mapping internal experiment names, input data and and
source code to CMOR and CMIP5 questionaire meta data as well as figuring
out how to derive MIP variables from your model output, and integrate CMOR with
your normal data handling practices. Given the resources most data
producers have to dedicate to these kind of activities I don't think its
suprising at all that mistakes are made and things get
forgotten.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=791455809-19122011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>At this stage in the project I'm not convinced of the value of
tracking_id - its certainly not in my 20% of functionality to deliver 80% of
the benefit.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial>Jamie</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu
[mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Karl
Taylor<BR><B>Sent:</B> 16 December 2011 19:19<BR><B>To:</B>
go-essp-tech@ucar.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Go-essp-tech] tracking_id and
check sums was... RE: Status of Gateway 2.0 (another use
case)<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Hi,<BR><BR>A careful preparer of CMIP
output will generate a new tracking_id and record it at the same time as he
changes anything in the header (or elsewhere in the file). So, I agree
with Bryan, the tracking_id is very useful except when the data generator is
lazy and fails to create a new tracking_id. I'll bet that for well over
99% of the files written, the tracking_id will likely be reliable (at least
much better than 80 - 20). Of course check-sum tells you absolutely
whether 2 files are identical, but it has limitations too, as pointed out in
earlier emails.<BR><BR>Also, as noted earlier by others, most files that
differ but have the same tracking_id have contain identical data, but have
slightly modified "headers". In most cases this means no matter which of
the files with identical tracking_id's a user uses, one could reproduce their
results, which is mostly what we care about.<BR><BR>That being said, perhaps,
I need to send the modeling groups a reminder that they should generate a new
tracking_id when they modify their files in any way.<BR><BR>Oh, and I will try
to send out an email this weekend to the modeling groups urging them to add
checksums to their tds catalogs as soon as possible (i.e., I agree this is
essential and high priority). Besides enabling users and "replicators"
to determine whether they've got the latest version of a file and that it has
been transferred correctly, are there other important reasons for including
the checksum I should articulate in my email?<BR><BR>Best
regards,<BR>Karl<BR></FONT><BR>On 12/16/11 8:58 AM, Estanislao Gonzalez wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:4EEB78BE.6030101@dkrz.de type="cite">Hi,<BR><BR>Indeed,
that's what I think :-)<BR>Changing the file with anything other than CMOR
won't regenerate the tracking_id, and this happens always when changing the
header only (wrong variable name, wrong grid type, wrong email address) This
different files from different versions to share the same
number.<BR><BR>BUT!<BR>tracking_id + Checksum is unique and should point to
the file in question (the Checksum alone has no semantic, so it could be
disastrous in the future if we rely on it and use it in a similar project...
we won't be able to tell those files apart even if the checksum is unique...
but that's just my view)<BR><BR>Well, I wish you all happy holidays!<BR>(I'm
leaving tomorrow, that's why the "early" greetings)<BR>Estani<BR><BR>Am
16.12.2011 10:55, schrieb <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk:"
moz-do-not-send="true">stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk:</A>
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agree and this is a debate that has been waiting in the wings for some
time. I believe Estani doubts the tracking_id is much use. I'm
on the fence -- it is a record of what the data was when it passed through
CMOR and it is quicker to check than the md5sum. It does not
guarantee what data you have though.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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example of where it could be useful is if people want to aggregate their
NetCDF. Their files would change but the tracking_ids still tell you
where the data came from. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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Pascoe +44 (0)1235 445980<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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Environmental Data Archival<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">STFC
Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Harwell Oxford, Didcot OX11 0QX,
UK<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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Kettleborough, Jamie [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="mailto:jamie.kettleborough@metoffice.gov.uk"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:jamie.kettleborough@metoffice.gov.uk</A>]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> 16 December 2011 09:50<BR><B>To:</B> Pascoe, Stephen
(STFC,RAL,RALSP); <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:jma@cola.iges.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">jma@cola.iges.org</A>; <A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:go-essp-tech@ucar.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">go-essp-tech@ucar.edu</A><BR><B>Cc:</B>
Kettleborough, Jamie<BR><B>Subject:</B> tracking_id and check sums was...
RE: [Go-essp-tech] Status of Gateway 2.0 (another use
case)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hello
Stephen Bryan,</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I
wouldn't rely on tracking_id - there is too high a likelihood that it
is not unique. We have seen cases where different files have the same
tracking_id. ('though in the cases we have seen the data has been the
same, there are just minor updates to the meta-data - hmmm... maybe that
statement was a red rag to a bull). I think the checksum is
the most reliable indicator of the uniqueness of a file.
Though clearly its not enough on its own as it doesn't tell you what has
been changed or why, or how changes in one file are related to changes in
other files.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">We've
also seen examples where data providers have tried to be helpful - which
is great - and put version number as an attribute in the netcdf file...
but then that has not been updated when the files have be published at a
new version...</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Karl
- where are we with the agreement that all data nodes should provide
checksums with the data? I think its agreed in principle, but I'm
not sure whether and when the implications of that agreement will be
followed up.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
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lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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<A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</A> [<A
class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</A>] <B>On
Behalf Of </B><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk"
moz-do-not-send="true">stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk</A><BR><B>Sent:</B> 16
December 2011 09:25<BR><B>To:</B> <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:jma@cola.iges.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">jma@cola.iges.org</A>; <A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:go-essp-tech@ucar.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">go-essp-tech@ucar.edu</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Go-essp-tech] Status of Gateway 2.0 (another use case)</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hi
Jennifer,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
just wanted to add a few more technical specifics to this sub-thread
about versions. Bryan's point that it has all been a compromise is
the take-home message.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>> If the version is so important and needs to be
preserved, then it should have been included in the data file name. It's
obviously too late to make <O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>> that change now.<SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Indeed,
and it was already too late when we got agreement on the format for
version identifiers. By that point CMOR, the tool that generates
the filenames, was already finalised and being run at some modelling
centres. Also a version has to be assigned much later in the
process than when CMOR is run. Bryan is right that the tracking_id
or md5 checksum should provide the link between file and version.
Unfortunately we don't have tools for that yet.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Although
the filenames don't contain versions the wget scripts do
<B>provided datanodes have their data in DRS directory format</B>.
ESG insiders know this has been a long-term bugbear of mine.
Presently IPSL, BADC and DKRZ have this and maybe some others too but
not all datanodes have implemented this. Maybe the wget scripts
need to include versions in a more explicit way than just the DRS path
which would allow datanodes that can't implement DRS to include
versions. It would be good if wget scripts replicated the DRS
directory structure at the client. That's something I wish we'd
implemented by now but since not every datanode has DRS structure it's
impossible to implement federation-wide.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Thanks
for the great feedback.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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Pascoe +44 (0)1235 445980<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">Centre
of Environmental Data Archival<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">STFC
Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Harwell Oxford, Didcot OX11 0QX,
UK<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>
<A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</A> [<A
class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</A>] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Jennifer Adams<BR><B>Sent:</B> 15 December 2011
19:58<BR><B>To:</B> <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:go-essp-tech@ucar.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">go-essp-tech@ucar.edu</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Go-essp-tech] Status of Gateway 2.0 (another use
case)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Dec 15, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Bryan Lawrence
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<P class=MsoNormal>Hi Jennifer<BR><BR>With due respect, it's completely
unrealistic to expect modelling groups not to want to have multiple
versions of some datasets ... that's just not how the world (and in
particular, modelling workflow) works. It has never been thus.
There simply isn't time to look at everthing before it is released ...
if you haave a problem with that, blame the government folk who set the
IPCC timetables :-) (Maybe your comment was somewhat tongue in
cheek, but I feel obliged to make this statement anyway
:-).<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Fair enough. I was being cheeky, that is why I put
the :-). The users suffer the IPCC time constraints too, we have to
deliver analyses of data that take an impossibly long time to
grab. <O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>Also, with due respect, please don't "replace
files with newer versions" ... we absolutely need folks to understand
the idea of processing with one particular version of the data, and
understanding the provenance of that, so that they understand if the
data has changed, they may need to re-run the processing.
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<P class=MsoNormal>If the version is so important and needs to be
preserved, then it should have been included in the data file name. It's
obviously too late to make that change now. As I mentioned before, the
version number is a valuable piece of metadata that is lost in the wget
download process. The problem of how to keep track of version
numbers and update my copy when necessary
remains. <O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I'll take this opportunity to point out that the
realm and frequency are also missing from the file name. I can't
remember where I read this, but MIP_table value is not always adequate
for uniquely determining what the realm and frequency
are. <O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>I'm sure this doesn't apply to you, but for too
long our community has had a pretty cavalier attitude to data
provenance! CMIP3 and AR4 was a "dogs breakfast" in this regard
…<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>Looks like CMIP5 hasn't
improved the situation. <BR><BR><O:P></O:P></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>(And I too am very grateful that you are laying
out your requirements in some detail :-)<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>I'm glad to hear that. <O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>--Jennifer<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I'll check this more carefully and see what can
be done with what we have (or minimal changes), thought the multiple
versions is something CMIP3 hasn't worried about, files just got
changed or deleted, cmip5 add a two figure factor to that since
there are many more institutions and data... but it might be
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<P class=MsoNormal>At the moment, I have no good ideas for how to
solve the problem of replacing files in my local CMIP5 collection with
newer versions if they are available. My strategy at this point is to
get the version that is available now and not look for it again. If
any data providers are listening, here is my plea:
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<P class=MsoNormal>==> Please don't submit new versions of your
CMIP5 data. Get it right the first time!
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<P class=MsoNormal>In any case I wanted just to thank you very much
for the detailed description, it is very
useful.<O:P></O:P></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I'm glad you (and Steve Hankin) find my long emails
helpful. <O:P></O:P></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Am 15.12.2011 14:52, schrieb Jennifer
Adams:<O:P></O:P></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Hi, Estanislao --
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<P class=MsoNormal>Please see my comments
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Dec 15, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Estanislao
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<P class=MsoNormal>I'm still not sure how is Lucas change in the
API going to help you Jennifer. But perhaps it would help me to
fully understand your requirement as well as your use of wget
when using the FTP
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<P class=MsoNormal>I presume what you want is to crawl the
archive and get file from a specific directory
structure?<O:P></O:P></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Maybe it would be better if you just describe
briefly the procedure you've been using for getting the CMIP3
data so we can see what could be done for
CMIP5.<O:P></O:P></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal>COLA scientists ask for a specific
scenario/realm/frequency/variable they need for their research.
Our CMIP3 collection is a shared resource of about 4Tb of data.
For CMIP5, we are working with an estimate of 4-5 times that data
volume to meet our needs. It's hard to say at this point whether
that will be enough.
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required to be
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<P class=MsoNormal>For CMIP3, we often referred to <A
href="http://www-pcmdi.llnl.gov/ipcc/data_status_tables.htm"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www-pcmdi.llnl.gov/ipcc/data_status_tables.htm</A>
to see what was available.
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href="http://cmip-pcmdi.llnl.gov/cmip5/esg_tables/transpose_esg_static_table.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://cmip-pcmdi.llnl.gov/cmip5/esg_tables/transpose_esg_static_table.html</A>,
is also useful. An improvement I'd like to see on this page: the
numbers inside the blue boxes that show how many runs there are
for a particular experiment/model should be a link to a list of
those runs that has all the necessary components from the Data
Reference Synatax so that I can go directly to the URL for that
data set. For example,
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<P class=MsoNormal>the BCC-CSM1.1 model shows 45 runs for the
decadal1960 experiment. I would like to click on that 45 and get a
list of the 45 URLs for those runs, like
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moz-do-not-send="true">http://pcmdi3.llnl.gov/esgcet/dataset/cmip5.output1.BCC.bcc-csm1-1.decadal1960.day.land.day.r1i1p1.html</A><O:P></O:P></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal>For example: wget -nH --retr-symlinks -r -A nc
<A href="ftp://username@ftp-esg.ucllnl.org/picntrl/atm/mo/tas"
moz-do-not-send="true">ftp://username@ftp-esg.ucllnl.org/picntrl/atm/mo/tas</A>
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<P class=MsoNormal>This would populate a local directory
./picntrl/atm/mo/tas with all the models and ensemble members in
the proper subdirectory. If I wanted to update with newer versions
or models that had been added, I simply ran the same 1-line wget
command again. This is what I refer to as
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what you want, if we knew exactly what that
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<P class=MsoNormal>Wouldn't that be wonderful? I am hopeful that
the P2P will simplify the elaborate and flawed workflow I have
cobbled together to navigate the current
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<P class=MsoNormal>I have a list of desired
experiment/realm/frequency/MIP_table/variables for which I need to
grab all available models/ensembles. Is that not enough to
describe my needs?
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href="http://p2pnode/wget?experiment=decadal1960&realm=atmos&time_frequency=month&variable=clt"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://p2pnode/wget?experiment=decadal1960&realm=atmos&time_frequency=month&variable=clt</A>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Yes, this would likely achieve the same result
as the '&model=!name' that Luca implemented. However, I
believe the documentation says that there is a limit of 1000 to
the number of wgets that p2pnode will put into a single search
request, so I don't want to populate my precious 1000 results with
wgets that I'm going to grep out afterwards.
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tool to rely on at the core of the workflow. Unfortunately,
the step up in complexity from CMIP3 to CMIP5 and the switch
from FTP to HTTP trashed the elegant use of wget. No amount
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<P class=MsoNormal>At the moment, the burden on the user is
embarrassingly high. It's so easy to suggest that the user
should "filter to remove what is not required" from a
downloaded script, but the actual pratice of doing that in a
timely and automated and distributed way is NOT simple! And
if the solution to my problem of filling in the gaps in my
incomplete collection is to go back to clicking in my
browser and do the whole thing over again but make my
filters smarter by looking for what's already been acquired
or what has a new version number … this is unacceptable. The
filtering must be a server-side responsibility and the
interface must be accessible by automated scripts. Make it
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of metadata that is not in the downloaded files or the
gateway's search criteria. It appears in the wget script as
part of the path in the file's http location, but the path
is not preserved after the wget is complete, so it is
effectively lost after the download is
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if the version number of the data file in question has been
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