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<font face="Times New Roman">Hi,<br>
<br>
A careful preparer of CMIP output will generate a new tracking_id
and record it at the same time as he changes anything in the
header (or elsewhere in the file). So, I agree with Bryan, the
tracking_id is very useful except when the data generator is lazy
and fails to create a new tracking_id. I'll bet that for well
over 99% of the files written, the tracking_id will likely be
reliable (at least much better than 80 - 20). Of course check-sum
tells you absolutely whether 2 files are identical, but it has
limitations too, as pointed out in earlier emails.<br>
<br>
Also, as noted earlier by others, most files that differ but have
the same tracking_id have contain identical data, but have
slightly modified "headers". In most cases this means no matter
which of the files with identical tracking_id's a user uses, one
could reproduce their results, which is mostly what we care about.<br>
<br>
That being said, perhaps, I need to send the modeling groups a
reminder that they should generate a new tracking_id when they
modify their files in any way.<br>
<br>
Oh, and I will try to send out an email this weekend to the
modeling groups urging them to add checksums to their tds catalogs
as soon as possible (i.e., I agree this is essential and high
priority). Besides enabling users and "replicators" to determine
whether they've got the latest version of a file and that it has
been transferred correctly, are there other important reasons for
including the checksum I should articulate in my email?<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Karl<br>
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On 12/16/11 8:58 AM, Estanislao Gonzalez wrote:
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Hi,<br>
<br>
Indeed, that's what I think :-)<br>
Changing the file with anything other than CMOR won't regenerate
the tracking_id, and this happens always when changing the header
only (wrong variable name, wrong grid type, wrong email address)
This different files from different versions to share the same
number.<br>
<br>
BUT!<br>
tracking_id + Checksum is unique and should point to the file in
question (the Checksum alone has no semantic, so it could be
disastrous in the future if we rely on it and use it in a similar
project... we won't be able to tell those files apart even if the
checksum is unique... but that's just my view)<br>
<br>
Well, I wish you all happy holidays!<br>
(I'm leaving tomorrow, that's why the "early" greetings)<br>
Estani<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
agree and this is a debate that has been waiting in the
wings for some time. I believe Estani doubts the
tracking_id is much use. I'm on the fence -- it is a
record of what the data was when it passed through CMOR
and it is quicker to check than the md5sum. It does not
guarantee what data you have though.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">One
example of where it could be useful is if people want to
aggregate their NetCDF. Their files would change but the
tracking_ids still tell you where the data came from. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Stephen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">Stephen
Pascoe +44 (0)1235 445980<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">Centre
of Environmental Data Archival<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">STFC
Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Harwell Oxford, Didcot
OX11 0QX, UK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"> Kettleborough, Jamie [<a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:jamie.kettleborough@metoffice.gov.uk">mailto:jamie.kettleborough@metoffice.gov.uk</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 16 December 2011 09:50<br>
<b>To:</b> Pascoe, Stephen (STFC,RAL,RALSP); <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:jma@cola.iges.org">jma@cola.iges.org</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:go-essp-tech@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech@ucar.edu</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kettleborough, Jamie<br>
<b>Subject:</b> tracking_id and check sums was... RE:
[Go-essp-tech] Status of Gateway 2.0 (another use
case)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Hello
Stephen Bryan,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">I
wouldn't rely on tracking_id - there is too high a
likelihood that it is not unique. We have seen cases where
different files have the same tracking_id. ('though in the
cases we have seen the data has been the same, there are
just minor updates to the meta-data - hmmm... maybe that
statement was a red rag to a bull). I think the checksum
is the most reliable indicator of the uniqueness of a
file. Though clearly its not enough on its own as it
doesn't tell you what has been changed or why, or how
changes in one file are related to changes in other files.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">We've
also seen examples where data providers have tried to be
helpful - which is great - and put version number as an
attribute in the netcdf file... but then that has not been
updated when the files have be published at a new
version...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Karl
- where are we with the agreement that all data nodes
should provide checksums with the data? I think its
agreed in principle, but I'm not sure whether and when the
implications of that agreement will be followed up.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Jamie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk">stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 16 December 2011 09:25<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:jma@cola.iges.org">jma@cola.iges.org</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:go-essp-tech@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech@ucar.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Go-essp-tech] Status of Gateway 2.0
(another use case)</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi
Jennifer,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
just wanted to add a few more technical specifics to
this sub-thread about versions. Bryan's point that it
has all been a compromise is the take-home message.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> If the version is so important and
needs to be preserved, then it should have been included
in the data file name. It's obviously too late to make <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> that change now.<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Indeed,
and it was already too late when we got agreement on the
format for version identifiers. By that point CMOR, the
tool that generates the filenames, was already finalised
and being run at some modelling centres. Also a version
has to be assigned much later in the process than when
CMOR is run. Bryan is right that the tracking_id or md5
checksum should provide the link between file and
version. Unfortunately we don't have tools for that
yet.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Although
the filenames don't contain versions the wget scripts
do <b>provided datanodes have their data in DRS
directory format</b>. ESG insiders know this has been
a long-term bugbear of mine. Presently IPSL, BADC and
DKRZ have this and maybe some others too but not all
datanodes have implemented this. Maybe the wget scripts
need to include versions in a more explicit way than
just the DRS path which would allow datanodes that can't
implement DRS to include versions. It would be good if
wget scripts replicated the DRS directory structure at
the client. That's something I wish we'd implemented by
now but since not every datanode has DRS structure it's
impossible to implement federation-wide.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks
for the great feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Stephen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">Stephen
Pascoe +44 (0)1235 445980<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">Centre
of Environmental Data Archival<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">STFC
Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Harwell Oxford, Didcot
OX11 0QX, UK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jennifer Adams<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 15 December 2011 19:58<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:go-essp-tech@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech@ucar.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Go-essp-tech] Status of Gateway
2.0 (another use case)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 15, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Bryan
Lawrence wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Jennifer<br>
<br>
With due respect, it's completely unrealistic to
expect modelling groups not to want to have multiple
versions of some datasets ... that's just not how the
world (and in particular, modelling workflow) works.
It has never been thus. There simply isn't time to
look at everthing before it is released ... if you
haave a problem with that, blame the government folk
who set the IPCC timetables :-) (Maybe your comment
was somewhat tongue in cheek, but I feel obliged to
make this statement anyway :-).<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Fair enough. I was being cheeky, that
is why I put the :-). The users suffer the IPCC time
constraints too, we have to deliver analyses of data
that take an impossibly long time to grab. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
Also, with due respect, please don't "replace files
with newer versions" ... we absolutely need folks to
understand the idea of processing with one particular
version of the data, and understanding the provenance
of that, so that they understand if the data has
changed, they may need to re-run the processing. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">If the version is so important and
needs to be preserved, then it should have been
included in the data file name. It's obviously too
late to make that change now. As I mentioned before,
the version number is a valuable piece of metadata
that is lost in the wget download process. The problem
of how to keep track of version numbers and update my
copy when necessary remains. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I'll take this opportunity to point
out that the realm and frequency are also missing from
the file name. I can't remember where I read this, but
MIP_table value is not always adequate for uniquely
determining what the realm and frequency are. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
I'm sure this doesn't apply to you, but for too long
our community has had a pretty cavalier attitude to
data provenance! CMIP3 and AR4 was a "dogs breakfast"
in this regard …<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Looks
like CMIP5 hasn't improved the situation. <br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
(And I too am very grateful that you are laying out
your requirements in some detail :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I'm glad to hear that. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">--Jennifer<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
Cheers<br>
Bryan<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 15, 2011, at 11:22 AM,
Estanislao Gonzalez wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Jennifer,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'll check this more carefully
and see what can be done with what we have (or
minimal changes), thought the multiple versions is
something CMIP3 hasn't worried about, files just
got changed or deleted, cmip5 add a two figure
factor to that since there are many more
institutions and data... but it might be possible.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">At the moment, I have no good
ideas for how to solve the problem of replacing
files in my local CMIP5 collection with newer
versions if they are available. My strategy at this
point is to get the version that is available now
and not look for it again. If any data providers are
listening, here is my plea: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">==> Please don't submit new
versions of your CMIP5 data. Get it right the first
time! <==<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In any case I wanted just to
thank you very much for the detailed description,
it is very useful.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm glad you (and Steve Hankin)
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 15.12.2011 14:52, schrieb
Jennifer Adams:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 15, 2011, at 5:47 AM,
Estanislao Gonzalez wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm still not sure how is
Lucas change in the API going to help you
Jennifer. But perhaps it would help me to
fully understand your requirement as well as
your use of wget when using the FTP protocol.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I presume what you want is
to crawl the archive and get file from a
specific directory structure?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe it would be better if
you just describe briefly the procedure you've
been using for getting the CMIP3 data so we
can see what could be done for CMIP5.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How did you find out which
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<p class="MsoNormal">COLA scientists ask for a
specific scenario/realm/frequency/variable they
need for their research. Our CMIP3 collection is
a shared resource of about 4Tb of data. For
CMIP5, we are working with an estimate of 4-5
times that data volume to meet our needs. It's
hard to say at this point whether that will be
enough. <o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How did you find out which
files were required to be downloaded?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For CMIP3, we often referred
to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www-pcmdi.llnl.gov/ipcc/data_status_tables.htm">
http://www-pcmdi.llnl.gov/ipcc/data_status_tables.htm</a> to see what
was available. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The new version of this chart
for CMIP5, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cmip-pcmdi.llnl.gov/cmip5/esg_tables/transpose_esg_static_table.html">http://cmip-pcmdi.llnl.gov/cmip5/esg_tables/transpose_esg_static_table.html</a>,
is also useful. An improvement I'd like to see
on this page: the numbers inside the blue boxes
that show how many runs there are for a
particular experiment/model should be a link to
a list of those runs that has all the necessary
components from the Data Reference Synatax so
that I can go directly to the URL for that data
set. For example, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">the BCC-CSM1.1 model shows 45
runs for the decadal1960 experiment. I would
like to click on that 45 and get a list of the
45 URLs for those runs, like this:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://pcmdi3.llnl.gov/esgcet/dataset/cmip5.output1.BCC.bcc-csm1-1.decadal1960.day.land.day.r1i1p1.html">http://pcmdi3.llnl.gov/esgcet/dataset/cmip5.output1.BCC.bcc-csm1-1.decadal1960.day.land.day.r1i1p1.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How did you tell wget to
download those files?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For example: wget -nH
--retr-symlinks -r -A nc <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="ftp://username@ftp-esg.ucllnl.org/picntrl/atm/mo/tas">
ftp://username@ftp-esg.ucllnl.org/picntrl/atm/mo/tas</a> -o log.tas<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This would populate a local
directory ./picntrl/atm/mo/tas with all the
models and ensemble members in the proper
subdirectory. If I wanted to update with newer
versions or models that had been added, I simply
ran the same 1-line wget command again. This is
what I refer to as 'elegant.'<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We might have already some
way of achieving what you want, if we knew
exactly what that is.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wouldn't that be wonderful? I
am hopeful that the P2P will simplify the
elaborate and flawed workflow I have cobbled
together to navigate the current system.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have a list of desired
experiment/realm/frequency/MIP_table/variables
for which I need to grab all available
models/ensembles. Is that not enough to describe
my needs? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">bash <(wget <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://p2pnode/wget?experiment=decadal1960&realm=atmos&time_frequency=month&variable=clt">http://p2pnode/wget?experiment=decadal1960&realm=atmos&time_frequency=month&variable=clt</a>
-qO - | grep -v HadCM3)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, this would likely
achieve the same result as the
'&model=!name' that Luca implemented.
However, I believe the documentation says that
there is a limit of 1000 to the number of wgets
that p2pnode will put into a single search
request, so I don't want to populate my precious
1000 results with wgets that I'm going to grep
out afterwards. <o:p></o:p></p>
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But I still don't know exactly why. <o:p></o:p></p>
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the capability of doing negative searches
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<p class="MsoNormal">Well, after working
from the client side to get CMIP3 and
CMIP5 data, I can say that wget is a fine
tool to rely on at the core of the
workflow. Unfortunately, the step up in
complexity from CMIP3 to CMIP5 and the
switch from FTP to HTTP trashed the
elegant use of wget. No amount of
customized wrapper software, browser
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<p class="MsoNormal">At the moment, the
burden on the user is embarrassingly high.
It's so easy to suggest that the user
should "filter to remove what is not
required" from a downloaded script, but
the actual pratice of doing that in a
timely and automated and distributed way
is NOT simple! And if the solution to my
problem of filling in the gaps in my
incomplete collection is to go back to
clicking in my browser and do the whole
thing over again but make my filters
smarter by looking for what's already been
acquired or what has a new version number
… this is unacceptable. The filtering must
be a server-side responsibility and the
interface must be accessible by automated
scripts. Make it so! <o:p></o:p></p>
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search criteria. It appears in the wget
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http location, but the path is not
preserved after the wget is complete, so
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the file's date stamp would be the only
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data file in question has been changed,
but I'm not going to write that check into
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Bryan Lawrence<br>
University of Reading: Professor of Weather and
Climate Computing.<br>
National Centre for Atmospheric Science: Director of
Models and Data. <br>
STFC: Director of the Centre for Environmental Data
Archival.<br>
Ph: +44 118 3786507 or 1235 445012;
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Estanislao Gonzalez
Max-Planck-Institut für Meteorologie (MPI-M)
Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum (DKRZ) - German Climate Computing Centre
Room 108 - Bundesstrasse 45a, D-20146 Hamburg, Germany
Phone: +49 (40) 46 00 94-126
E-Mail: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gonzalez@dkrz.de">gonzalez@dkrz.de</a> </pre>
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