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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=048103009-16122011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Hello Stephen Bryan,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=048103009-16122011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>I wouldn't rely on tracking_id - there is too high a
likelihood that it is not unique. We have seen cases where different files have
the same tracking_id. ('though in the cases we have seen the data has been the
same, there are just minor updates to the meta-data - hmmm... maybe that
statement was a red rag to a bull). I think the checksum is the most
reliable indicator of the uniqueness of a file. Though clearly its
not enough on its own as it doesn't tell you what has been changed or why, or
how changes in one file are related to changes in other
files.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=048103009-16122011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>We've also seen examples where data providers have tried to be
helpful - which is great - and put version number as an attribute in the netcdf
file... but then that has not been updated when the files have be published at a
new version...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=048103009-16122011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Karl - w</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=048103009-16122011><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>here are we with the agreement that all data
nodes should provide checksums with the data? I think its agreed in
principle, but I'm not sure whether and when the implications of that agreement
will be followed up.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=048103009-16122011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Jamie</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu
[mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk<BR><B>Sent:</B> 16 December 2011
09:25<BR><B>To:</B> jma@cola.iges.org;
go-essp-tech@ucar.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Go-essp-tech] Status of Gateway
2.0 (another use case)<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hi
Jennifer,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
just wanted to add a few more technical specifics to this sub-thread about
versions. Bryan's point that it has all been a compromise is the
take-home message.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>> If the version is so important and needs to be
preserved, then it should have been included in the data file name. It's
obviously too late to make <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>> that change now.<SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Indeed,
and it was already too late when we got agreement on the format for version
identifiers. By that point CMOR, the tool that generates the filenames,
was already finalised and being run at some modelling centres. Also a
version has to be assigned much later in the process than when CMOR is
run. Bryan is right that the tracking_id or md5 checksum should provide
the link between file and version. Unfortunately we don't have tools for
that yet.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Although
the filenames don't contain versions the wget scripts do <B>provided
datanodes have their data in DRS directory format</B>. ESG insiders know
this has been a long-term bugbear of mine. Presently IPSL, BADC and DKRZ
have this and maybe some others too but not all datanodes have implemented
this. Maybe the wget scripts need to include versions in a more explicit
way than just the DRS path which would allow datanodes that can't implement
DRS to include versions. It would be good if wget scripts replicated the
DRS directory structure at the client. That's something I wish we'd
implemented by now but since not every datanode has DRS structure it's
impossible to implement federation-wide.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Thanks
for the great feedback.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Stephen.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">Stephen
Pascoe +44 (0)1235 445980<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">Centre of
Environmental Data Archival<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">STFC
Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Harwell Oxford, Didcot OX11 0QX,
UK<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu [mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Jennifer Adams<BR><B>Sent:</B> 15 December 2011
19:58<BR><B>To:</B> go-essp-tech@ucar.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Go-essp-tech] Status of Gateway 2.0 (another use
case)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Dec 15, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Bryan Lawrence
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Hi Jennifer<BR><BR>With due respect, it's completely
unrealistic to expect modelling groups not to want to have multiple versions
of some datasets ... that's just not how the world (and in particular,
modelling workflow) works. It has never been thus. There simply isn't
time to look at everthing before it is released ... if you haave a problem
with that, blame the government folk who set the IPCC timetables :-)
(Maybe your comment was somewhat tongue in cheek, but I feel obliged to
make this statement anyway :-).<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Fair enough. I was being cheeky, that is why I put the
:-). The users suffer the IPCC time constraints too, we have to deliver
analyses of data that take an impossibly long time to
grab. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>Also, with due respect, please don't "replace files
with newer versions" ... we absolutely need folks to understand the idea of
processing with one particular version of the data, and understanding the
provenance of that, so that they understand if the data has changed, they may
need to re-run the processing. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>If the version is so important and needs to be preserved,
then it should have been included in the data file name. It's obviously too
late to make that change now. As I mentioned before, the version number is a
valuable piece of metadata that is lost in the wget download process. The
problem of how to keep track of version numbers and update my copy when
necessary remains. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I'll take this opportunity to point out that the realm and
frequency are also missing from the file name. I can't remember where I read
this, but MIP_table value is not always adequate for uniquely determining what
the realm and frequency are. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>I'm sure this doesn't apply to you, but for too long
our community has had a pretty cavalier attitude to data provenance! CMIP3 and
AR4 was a "dogs breakfast" in this regard …<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Looks like CMIP5 hasn't improved the
situation. <BR><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>(And I too am very grateful that you are laying out
your requirements in some detail :-)<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>I'm glad to hear that. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>--Jennifer<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>Cheers<BR>Bryan<BR><BR><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Dec 15, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Estanislao Gonzalez
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<P class=MsoNormal>I'll check this more carefully and see what can be done
with what we have (or minimal changes), thought the multiple versions is
something CMIP3 hasn't worried about, files just got changed or deleted,
cmip5 add a two figure factor to that since there are many more
institutions and data... but it might be
possible.<o:p></o:p></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal>At the moment, I have no good ideas for how to solve the
problem of replacing files in my local CMIP5 collection with newer versions
if they are available. My strategy at this point is to get the version that
is available now and not look for it again. If any data providers are
listening, here is my plea: <o:p></o:p></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal>==> Please don't submit new versions of your CMIP5
data. Get it right the first time! <==<o:p></o:p></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal>:-)<o:p></o:p></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal>In any case I wanted just to thank you very much for
the detailed description, it is very
useful.<o:p></o:p></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I'm glad you (and Steve Hankin) find my long emails
helpful. <o:p></o:p></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal>--Jennifer<o:p></o:p></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Am 15.12.2011 14:52, schrieb Jennifer
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<P class=MsoNormal>Hi, Estanislao --
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<P class=MsoNormal>Please see my comments
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<P class=MsoNormal>I'm still not sure how is Lucas change in the API
going to help you Jennifer. But perhaps it would help me to fully
understand your requirement as well as your use of wget when using the
FTP
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<P class=MsoNormal>Maybe it would be better if you just describe
briefly the procedure you've been using for getting the CMIP3 data so
we can see what could be done for
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CMIP3 collection is a shared resource of about 4Tb of data. For CMIP5,
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our needs. It's hard to say at this point whether that will be enough.
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is also useful. An improvement I'd like to see on this page: the numbers
inside the blue boxes that show how many runs there are for a particular
experiment/model should be a link to a list of those runs that has all
the necessary components from the Data Reference Synatax so that I can
go directly to the URL for that data set. For example,
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of the 45 URLs for those runs, like
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<P class=MsoNormal>For example: wget -nH --retr-symlinks -r -A nc <A
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<P class=MsoNormal>This would populate a local directory
./picntrl/atm/mo/tas with all the models and ensemble members in the
proper subdirectory. If I wanted to update with newer versions or models
that had been added, I simply ran the same 1-line wget command again.
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all available models/ensembles. Is that not enough to describe my needs?
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<P class=MsoNormal>bash <(wget <A
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<P class=MsoNormal>Yes, this would likely achieve the same result as the
'&model=!name' that Luca implemented. However, I believe the
documentation says that there is a limit of 1000 to the number of wgets
that p2pnode will put into a single search request, so I don't want to
populate my precious 1000 results with wgets that I'm going to grep out
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<P class=MsoNormal>was not acceptable to you. But I still don't know
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negative searches (model=!CCSM), and generate the corresponding wget
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<P class=MsoNormal>Well, after working from the client side to get
CMIP3 and CMIP5 data, I can say that wget is a fine tool to rely
on at the core of the workflow. Unfortunately, the step up in
complexity from CMIP3 to CMIP5 and the switch from FTP to HTTP
trashed the elegant use of wget. No amount of customized wrapper
software, browser interfaces, or pre-packaged tools like DML fixes
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<P class=MsoNormal>At the moment, the burden on the user is
embarrassingly high. It's so easy to suggest that the user should
"filter to remove what is not required" from a downloaded script,
but the actual pratice of doing that in a timely and automated and
distributed way is NOT simple! And if the solution to my problem
of filling in the gaps in my incomplete collection is to go back
to clicking in my browser and do the whole thing over again but
make my filters smarter by looking for what's already been
acquired or what has a new version number … this is unacceptable.
The filtering must be a server-side responsibility and the
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