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Hi,<br>
<br>
Indeed, that's what I think :-)<br>
Changing the file with anything other than CMOR won't regenerate the
tracking_id, and this happens always when changing the header only
(wrong variable name, wrong grid type, wrong email address) This
different files from different versions to share the same number.<br>
<br>
BUT!<br>
tracking_id + Checksum is unique and should point to the file in
question (the Checksum alone has no semantic, so it could be
disastrous in the future if we rely on it and use it in a similar
project... we won't be able to tell those files apart even if the
checksum is unique... but that's just my view)<br>
<br>
Well, I wish you all happy holidays!<br>
(I'm leaving tomorrow, that's why the "early" greetings)<br>
Estani<br>
<br>
Am 16.12.2011 10:55, schrieb <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk:">stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk:</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
agree and this is a debate that has been waiting in the
wings for some time. I believe Estani doubts the
tracking_id is much use. I'm on the fence -- it is a record
of what the data was when it passed through CMOR and it is
quicker to check than the md5sum. It does not guarantee
what data you have though.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">One
example of where it could be useful is if people want to
aggregate their NetCDF. Their files would change but the
tracking_ids still tell you where the data came from. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Stephen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Pascoe +44 (0)1235 445980<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">Centre
of Environmental Data Archival<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">STFC
Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Harwell Oxford, Didcot
OX11 0QX, UK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"> Kettleborough, Jamie
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jamie.kettleborough@metoffice.gov.uk">mailto:jamie.kettleborough@metoffice.gov.uk</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 16 December 2011 09:50<br>
<b>To:</b> Pascoe, Stephen (STFC,RAL,RALSP);
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jma@cola.iges.org">jma@cola.iges.org</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:go-essp-tech@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech@ucar.edu</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kettleborough, Jamie<br>
<b>Subject:</b> tracking_id and check sums was... RE:
[Go-essp-tech] Status of Gateway 2.0 (another use case)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Hello
Stephen Bryan,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">I
wouldn't rely on tracking_id - there is too high a
likelihood that it is not unique. We have seen cases where
different files have the same tracking_id. ('though in the
cases we have seen the data has been the same, there are
just minor updates to the meta-data - hmmm... maybe that
statement was a red rag to a bull). I think the checksum
is the most reliable indicator of the uniqueness of a
file. Though clearly its not enough on its own as it
doesn't tell you what has been changed or why, or how
changes in one file are related to changes in other files.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">We've
also seen examples where data providers have tried to be
helpful - which is great - and put version number as an
attribute in the netcdf file... but then that has not been
updated when the files have be published at a new version...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Karl
- where are we with the agreement that all data nodes should
provide checksums with the data? I think its agreed in
principle, but I'm not sure whether and when the
implications of that agreement will be followed up.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Jamie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk">stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 16 December 2011 09:25<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jma@cola.iges.org">jma@cola.iges.org</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:go-essp-tech@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech@ucar.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Go-essp-tech] Status of Gateway 2.0
(another use case)</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi
Jennifer,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
just wanted to add a few more technical specifics to this
sub-thread about versions. Bryan's point that it has all
been a compromise is the take-home message.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> If the version is so important and
needs to be preserved, then it should have been included in
the data file name. It's obviously too late to make
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> that change now.<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Indeed,
and it was already too late when we got agreement on the
format for version identifiers. By that point CMOR, the
tool that generates the filenames, was already finalised
and being run at some modelling centres. Also a version
has to be assigned much later in the process than when
CMOR is run. Bryan is right that the tracking_id or md5
checksum should provide the link between file and
version. Unfortunately we don't have tools for that yet.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Although
the filenames don't contain versions the wget scripts do
<b>provided datanodes have their data in DRS directory
format</b>. ESG insiders know this has been a long-term
bugbear of mine. Presently IPSL, BADC and DKRZ have this
and maybe some others too but not all datanodes have
implemented this. Maybe the wget scripts need to include
versions in a more explicit way than just the DRS path
which would allow datanodes that can't implement DRS to
include versions. It would be good if wget scripts
replicated the DRS directory structure at the client.
That's something I wish we'd implemented by now but since
not every datanode has DRS structure it's impossible to
implement federation-wide.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks
for the great feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Stephen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">Stephen
Pascoe +44 (0)1235 445980<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">Centre
of Environmental Data Archival<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">STFC
Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Harwell Oxford, Didcot
OX11 0QX, UK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jennifer Adams<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 15 December 2011 19:58<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:go-essp-tech@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech@ucar.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Go-essp-tech] Status of Gateway
2.0 (another use case)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 15, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Bryan
Lawrence wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Jennifer<br>
<br>
With due respect, it's completely unrealistic to expect
modelling groups not to want to have multiple versions
of some datasets ... that's just not how the world (and
in particular, modelling workflow) works. It has never
been thus. There simply isn't time to look at everthing
before it is released ... if you haave a problem with
that, blame the government folk who set the IPCC
timetables :-) (Maybe your comment was somewhat tongue
in cheek, but I feel obliged to make this statement
anyway :-).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Fair enough. I was being cheeky, that
is why I put the :-). The users suffer the IPCC time
constraints too, we have to deliver analyses of data that
take an impossibly long time to grab. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
Also, with due respect, please don't "replace files with
newer versions" ... we absolutely need folks to
understand the idea of processing with one particular
version of the data, and understanding the provenance of
that, so that they understand if the data has changed,
they may need to re-run the processing. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If the version is so important and
needs to be preserved, then it should have been included
in the data file name. It's obviously too late to make
that change now. As I mentioned before, the version
number is a valuable piece of metadata that is lost in
the wget download process. The problem of how to keep
track of version numbers and update my copy when
necessary remains. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'll take this opportunity to point
out that the realm and frequency are also missing from
the file name. I can't remember where I read this, but
MIP_table value is not always adequate for uniquely
determining what the realm and frequency are. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
I'm sure this doesn't apply to you, but for too long our
community has had a pretty cavalier attitude to data
provenance! CMIP3 and AR4 was a "dogs breakfast" in this
regard …<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Looks like
CMIP5 hasn't improved the situation. <br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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(And I too am very grateful that you are laying out your
requirements in some detail :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm glad to hear that. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">--Jennifer<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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Cheers<br>
Bryan<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 15, 2011, at 11:22 AM,
Estanislao Gonzalez wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'll check this more carefully
and see what can be done with what we have (or
minimal changes), thought the multiple versions is
something CMIP3 hasn't worried about, files just got
changed or deleted, cmip5 add a two figure factor to
that since there are many more institutions and
data... but it might be possible.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">At the moment, I have no good ideas
for how to solve the problem of replacing files in my
local CMIP5 collection with newer versions if they are
available. My strategy at this point is to get the
version that is available now and not look for it
again. If any data providers are listening, here is my
plea: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">==> Please don't submit new
versions of your CMIP5 data. Get it right the first
time! <==<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">:-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In any case I wanted just to
thank you very much for the detailed description, it
is very useful.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm glad you (and Steve Hankin)
find my long emails helpful.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">--Jennifer<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 15.12.2011 14:52, schrieb
Jennifer Adams:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 15, 2011, at 5:47 AM,
Estanislao Gonzalez wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm still not sure how is
Lucas change in the API going to help you
Jennifer. But perhaps it would help me to fully
understand your requirement as well as your use
of wget when using the FTP protocol.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I presume what you want is to
crawl the archive and get file from a specific
directory structure?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe it would be better if
you just describe briefly the procedure you've
been using for getting the CMIP3 data so we can
see what could be done for CMIP5.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How did you find out which
data was interesting?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">COLA scientists ask for a
specific scenario/realm/frequency/variable they
need for their research. Our CMIP3 collection is a
shared resource of about 4Tb of data. For CMIP5,
we are working with an estimate of 4-5 times that
data volume to meet our needs. It's hard to say at
this point whether that will be enough. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How did you find out which
files were required to be downloaded?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For CMIP3, we often referred to
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www-pcmdi.llnl.gov/ipcc/data_status_tables.htm">
http://www-pcmdi.llnl.gov/ipcc/data_status_tables.htm</a> to see what
was available.
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<p class="MsoNormal">The new version of this chart
for CMIP5, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cmip-pcmdi.llnl.gov/cmip5/esg_tables/transpose_esg_static_table.html">http://cmip-pcmdi.llnl.gov/cmip5/esg_tables/transpose_esg_static_table.html</a>,
is also useful. An improvement I'd like to see on
this page: the numbers inside the blue boxes that
show how many runs there are for a particular
experiment/model should be a link to a list of
those runs that has all the necessary components
from the Data Reference Synatax so that I can go
directly to the URL for that data set. For
example,
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">the BCC-CSM1.1 model shows 45
runs for the decadal1960 experiment. I would like
to click on that 45 and get a list of the 45 URLs
for those runs, like this:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://pcmdi3.llnl.gov/esgcet/dataset/cmip5.output1.BCC.bcc-csm1-1.decadal1960.day.land.day.r1i1p1.html">http://pcmdi3.llnl.gov/esgcet/dataset/cmip5.output1.BCC.bcc-csm1-1.decadal1960.day.land.day.r1i1p1.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How did you tell wget to
download those files?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For example: wget -nH
--retr-symlinks -r -A nc <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="ftp://username@ftp-esg.ucllnl.org/picntrl/atm/mo/tas">
ftp://username@ftp-esg.ucllnl.org/picntrl/atm/mo/tas</a> -o log.tas<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This would populate a local
directory ./picntrl/atm/mo/tas with all the models
and ensemble members in the proper subdirectory.
If I wanted to update with newer versions or
models that had been added, I simply ran the same
1-line wget command again. This is what I refer to
as 'elegant.'<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We might have already some
way of achieving what you want, if we knew
exactly what that is.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wouldn't that be wonderful? I
am hopeful that the P2P will simplify the
elaborate and flawed workflow I have cobbled
together to navigate the current system.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have a list of desired
experiment/realm/frequency/MIP_table/variables for
which I need to grab all available
models/ensembles. Is that not enough to describe
my needs?
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issuing:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">bash <(wget <a
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href="http://p2pnode/wget?experiment=decadal1960&realm=atmos&time_frequency=month&variable=clt">http://p2pnode/wget?experiment=decadal1960&realm=atmos&time_frequency=month&variable=clt</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, this would likely achieve
the same result as the '&model=!name' that
Luca implemented. However, I believe the
documentation says that there is a limit of 1000
to the number of wgets that p2pnode will put into
a single search request, so I don't want to
populate my precious 1000 results with wgets that
I'm going to grep out afterwards.
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<p class="MsoNormal">was not acceptable to you.
But I still don't know exactly why.
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<p class="MsoNormal">It would really help to know
what you meant by "elegant use of wget".<o:p></o:p></p>
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the capability of doing negative searches
(model=!CCSM), and generate the corresponding
wget scripts, help you ?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Well, after working from
the client side to get CMIP3 and CMIP5 data,
I can say that wget is a fine tool to rely
on at the core of the workflow.
Unfortunately, the step up in complexity
from CMIP3 to CMIP5 and the switch from FTP
to HTTP trashed the elegant use of wget. No
amount of customized wrapper software,
browser interfaces, or pre-packaged tools
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on the user is embarrassingly high. It's so
easy to suggest that the user should "filter
to remove what is not required" from a
downloaded script, but the actual pratice of
doing that in a timely and automated and
distributed way is NOT simple! And if the
solution to my problem of filling in the
gaps in my incomplete collection is to go
back to clicking in my browser and do the
whole thing over again but make my filters
smarter by looking for what's already been
acquired or what has a new version number …
this is unacceptable. The filtering must be
a server-side responsibility and the
interface must be accessible by automated
scripts. Make it so!
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Bryan Lawrence<br>
University of Reading: Professor of Weather and Climate
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National Centre for Atmospheric Science: Director of
Models and Data. <br>
STFC: Director of the Centre for Environmental Data
Archival.<br>
Ph: +44 118 3786507 or 1235 445012;
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Estanislao Gonzalez
Max-Planck-Institut für Meteorologie (MPI-M)
Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum (DKRZ) - German Climate Computing Centre
Room 108 - Bundesstrasse 45a, D-20146 Hamburg, Germany
Phone: +49 (40) 46 00 94-126
E-Mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gonzalez@dkrz.de">gonzalez@dkrz.de</a> </pre>
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