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<b>Sent:</b> 08 June 2011 14:07<br>
<b>To:</b> Pascoe, Stephen (STFC,RAL,RALSP)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Luca.Cinquini@jpl.nasa.gov; chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov; go-essp-tech@ucar.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Go-essp-tech] [ESGF-Search] Opensearch and XML representation of a search query<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would underline the importance of not impeding the development process in its early phases. This is not to denigrate standards such as OpenSearch but simply to underline that from an agile perspective the first few iterations in the
SDLC must be upon building momentum ASAP. This entails placing a premium upon the YAGNI principle (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_ain't_gonna_need_it">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_ain't_gonna_need_it</a>). For me supporting OpenSearch is
perhaps an iteration 3/4 task whereby the request/reponse parser/generator are retrofitted with appropriate OpenSearch adaptors.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 8 Jun 2011, at 12:53, <<a href="mailto:stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk">stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is there more detail on what it means to "federate search with ESIP"? Is there infrastructure behind the pattern described on the ESIP wiki?<br>
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I'm asking because I'm slightly cautions about tying ourselves to an infrastructure that may not meet our needs. For instance the wiki page suggests ESIP OpenSearch engines will support a single query string plus optional time constraints. If this is a hard
requirement it means we can't use arbitrary OpenSearch extensions. The time extension that is supported may not meet our needs: I bet it doesn't do 360 day calendars! Multiple time dimensions anyone?<br>
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I've been here before in the context of OGC standards. We end up swimming against the tide in trying to fit our requirements into what the rest of the community want. Of course there are many great advantages to sharing standards like this. I just advocate
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From: Cinquini, Luca (3880) [mailto:Luca.Cinquini@jpl.nasa.gov] <br>
Sent: 08 June 2011 11:37<br>
To: Mattmann, Chris A (388J)<br>
Cc: Pascoe, Stephen (STFC,RAL,RALSP); <a href="mailto:go-essp-tech@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech@ucar.edu</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Go-essp-tech] [ESGF-Search] Opensearch and XML representation of a search query<br>
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Thanks Chris, indeed one of our goals is to federate the ESG search with ESIP...<br>
Luca<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="color:#540000">4 Place Jussieu,</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="color:#540000">Email: <a href="mailto:momipsl@ipsl.jussieu.fr">momipsl@ipsl.jussieu.fr</a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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