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<font face="Times New Roman">Yes, that is what is called for in the
DRS document. Thanks for reminding us.<br>
<br>
Karl<br>
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On 2/2/11 12:51 AM, Stéphane Senesi wrote:
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Dear all<br>
<br>
Isn'it required, in addition, that r<N> values are
consistent
between an Historical run and each RCP run started form its 2006
state ?<br>
<br>
S<br>
<br>
Karl Taylor wrote, On 01/02/2011 19:57:
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<font face="Times New Roman">Hi Charlotte,<br>
<br>
Congratulations! you managed to crack the intended use of
"rip" in
spite of what I thought was a scheme so complicated, that no
mere
mortal could be expected to decipher it.<br>
<br>
That being said, I think we should probably expect others
(with lesser
proclivity to meticulousness) to fail in attempting to follow
the
recommendations. In particular, we may not be able to count
on the "p"
and "i" values being consistent across all simulations by a
single
model. If that were the case, would it completely disrupt
your plans?<br>
<br>
One approach would be as follows:<br>
The first time that someone records the information for an
experiment
(i.e., the first member of the "rip" ensemble), they would be
asked to
document the model and all the experimental conditions. Then
when
subsequent members were entered, they should only have to
reference the
first member and say how the model physics (in some cases when
p
differs) or the experiment conditions (initial conditions when
"i"
differs and in some cases "forcing" when "p" differs). In the
case of
a different value of "r", typically the "spawning" point from
the run
will differ from one member of the ensemble to another.
[Note,
however, that for the TAMIP project, this identifies a
different start
time for the forecast within the season.] <br>
<br>
Sorry it's so difficult.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Karl<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Karl and Bryan, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It is important to know how the
r<N><span class="SpellE">i</span><M>p<L>
<span style=""> </span>indices
are to be implemented in CMIP5 so that we can be sure that
information
about them is captured correctly by the questionnaire. <span
style=""> </span>Here
is my understanding, please correct me if I’m wrong!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The scope of the p<L> and <span
class="SpellE">i</span><M> indices are model wide
– these
indices must mean the same thing across all simulations
for a
particular model.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The scope of the r<N> indices are
experiment wide – <span style=""> </span>the r index is
not required
to mean the same thing across all simulations for a
particular model,
so the r indices can be reused by different experiments.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Here is an example to show what this
would
mean in practice. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If the meaning <span style=""> </span>of
the
r<N> indices were confined to <span style=""> </span>an
experiment
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">then if you had used r1, r2, and r3 to
label
the members of an <span class="SpellE">amip</span>
ensemble:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;">tas_day_HADCM3_amip_r1i1p1_197901-200901.nc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;">tas_day_HADCM3_amip_r2i1p1_197901-200901.nc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;">tas_day_HADCM3_amip_r3i1p1_197901-200901.nc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">you could use r1,r2 and r3 again to
label the
members of a different experiment, say decadal2000:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;">tas_day_HADCM3_decadal2000_r1i2p1_200001-201001.nc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;">tas_day_HADCM3_decadal2000_r2i2p1_200001-201001.nc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;">tas_day_HADCM3_decadal2000_r3i2p1_200001-201001.nc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">rather than having to begin labelling
from a
new r index, say r4:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;">tas_day_HADCM3_decadal2000_r4i2p1_200001-201001.nc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Where<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">p<L> - identify perturbations in
physics
(from the same base model) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="SpellE">i</span><M>
-
identify perturbations in initialisation method<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">r<N> - identify ensemble members
which
differ in other characteristics.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please shout if my interpretation is
wrong!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style=""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 6pt; text-align:
justify;"><b><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family:
"Lucida Handwriting"; color: rgb(51, 51,
204);">Charlotte<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";
color: rgb(89, 89, 89);">Dr
Charlotte Pascoe<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";
color: rgb(89, 89, 89);">NCAS
British Atmospheric Data Centre<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";
color: rgb(89, 89, 89);">STFC
Rutherford Appleton Laboratory<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";
color: rgb(89, 89, 89);">Phone
+44 1235 445869; Fax ...5848<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";
color: rgb(89, 89, 89);">e-mail</span><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:c.l.pascoe@rl.ac.uk"><span style="color:
blue;">charlotte.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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