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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hello
Karl,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks
for the clarification – in that case it is not a DRS problem, just a problem
identifying the requested subset and some minor double counting in the archive
size estimation (at least in the slightly out of date version which I have): There
are 5 rows labelled AMIP: 1 in the “decadal” section, two in the “longer
term experiments” and another two in the “atmosphere only
experiments”. Three of these rows are for the first ensemble member, the
other two for extended ensemble size. At least one modelling group (labelled “ACCESS”)
has entered contributions to AMIP in all these categories and so has its AMIP
data for the first ensemble member counted 3 times.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There
is also a minor difference in the requested subset definition: requested “decadal”
AMIP output includes 4 years of “lon x lat x alev” output from the “aero”
MIP table, whereas the requested AMIP output from the atmosphere only section
excludes this. There are also differences in the requested output for
extended ensemble size in tables “6hrPlev” and “3hr”
(this is from the “replicated_subset” spreadsheet you sent me in
July). Presumably, since the different rows represent the same data, this is an
oversight?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Martin<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'> Karl Taylor [mailto:taylor13@llnl.gov] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 09 September 2010 20:25<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Juckes, Martin (STFC,RAL,SSTD)<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Pascoe, Stephen
(STFC,RAL,SSTD); go-essp-tech@ucar.edu<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: DRS clarification<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi all,<br>
<br>
If a coupled model is unchanged except to run with prescribed SST's, its name
won't change. A truly coupled model can't do AMIP runs; only when you
replace its interactive ocean with prescribed SSTs do you get an AMIP
run. Thus, you will never have two different models to separate and there
is no difficulty.<br>
<br>
Hope this isn't too confusing.<br>
<br>
best regards,<br>
Karl<br>
<br>
On 9/9/10 4:03 AM, <a href="mailto:martin.juckes@stfc.ac.uk">martin.juckes@stfc.ac.uk</a>
wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hello
Karl,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sorry
to raise another DRS issue – but following the last telco I’ve been
looking at the experiment setup in more detail in order to write some code
which will identify the “requested” data. Charlotte has also shared
with me some METAFOR discussions which, I think, concluded that a coupled model
which is run in atmosphere only mode will do so under the same name. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thus,
we may have data from model=ACCESS, expt=amip for both coupled and
atmosphere-only modes. As far as I can see, the only way these can be separated
in the DRS is by treating the atmosphere only version as a physics
perturbation. Would you agree with this interpretation, or have I missed
something?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If
this is the case, I think we should add a sentence or two to explain this usage
in the DRS document,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Martin</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a>
[<a href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b><a
href="mailto:stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk">stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 09 September 2010 11:24<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:taylor13@llnl.gov">taylor13@llnl.gov</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:go-essp-tech@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech@ucar.edu</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Go-essp-tech] ESGF Telco
today 2010/09/07</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Hi Karl,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>I agree we don't have time
to discuss this further. If you can send Martin and I the editable
version of the DRS document we will incorporate the changes necessary and feed
it back to you to publish. I think any further discussion needs to be
done on a document that brings together all the issues.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Incidentally, there is a
distinction between "variable_table" and
"variable/table". The former implies a single DRS component
with 2 parts and the second is 2 separate DRS components. The DRS
document at the moment implies the former *in some circumstances*. Looks
like we are settled on 2 components.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>I also want the DRS
document to reflect the various different encodings of DRS components.
There are several and many omit several components:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> 1. NetCDF filename
created by CMOR</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> 2. NetCDF attributes
created by CMOR</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> 3. DRS directory
structure</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> 4. THREDDS
publication-level dataset_id</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> 5. TDS URLs</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Stephen.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>---</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Stephen Pascoe +44 (0)1235 445980</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>British Atmospheric Data Centre</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Rutherford Appleton Laboratory</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a> [<a
href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Karl Taylor<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 08 September 2010 20:20<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:go-essp-tech@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech@ucar.edu</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Go-essp-tech] ESGF
Telco today 2010/09/07</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Dear all,<br>
<br>
We probably shouldn't spend any more time on this. Either proposed
solution seems to solve the probelm, so maybe we go with "group
think", unless someone can point out some practical implication that that
choice will make more work for someone (especially the users of the archive).<br>
<br>
best regards,<br>
Karl<br>
<br>
On 9/8/10 10:34 AM, Gavin M. Bell wrote: </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Suggestion....<br>
<br>
Hi Stephen, <br>
<br>
Can you please make the second to last token, namely:
<variable>_<table>, be like the other tokens in the taxonomy.
Specifically make it <variable>/<table>. When parsing this,
it makes it a bit difficult to look for this new delimiter. It
complicates things a bit. Does it also mean that "_" are not
allowed as a character in any of the other bits of the taxonomy. The
regex becomes a real pain and "regular" parsing is even worse.
It would make everything quite a bit simpler if it was like the others. i.e.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>cmip5/<product>/<institution>/<model>/<experiment>/<frequency>/<realm>/<ensemble>/<version>/<variable>/<table>/<file><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Furthermore, is
this structure saying that we are always going to be using "cmip5" as
the root of this taxonomy?<br>
<br>
Please let me know your thoughts. If you can accommodate this it would be
great!<br>
<br>
On 9/7/10 3:17 AM, <a href="mailto:stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk">stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk</a>
wrote: </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Today we plan to discuss the DRS
directory structure and prerequisites for starting replication tests between
DKRZ and BADC. I am putting together an agenda at the link below, it's
still evolving but comments welcome. Telephone details are also below.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Stephen</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Agenda: </span></font></b></strong><a
href="http://***proj.badc.rl.ac.uk/go-essp/wiki/CMIP5/Meetings/telco100907">http://***proj.badc.rl.ac.uk/go-essp/wiki/CMIP5/Meetings/telco100907</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Gavin M. Bell<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Lawrence Livermore National Labs<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>--<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> "Never mistake a clear view for a short distance."<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> -Paul Saffo<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>(GPG Key - <a
href="http://**rainbow.llnl.gov/dist/keys/gavin.asc">http://**rainbow.llnl.gov/dist/keys/gavin.asc</a>)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> A796 CE39 9C31 68A4 52A7 1F6B 66B7 B250 21D5 6D3E<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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