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Hi all,<br>
<br>
If a coupled model is unchanged except to run with prescribed SST's,
its name won't change. A truly coupled model can't do AMIP runs;
only when you replace its interactive ocean with prescribed SSTs do
you get an AMIP run. Thus, you will never have two different models
to separate and there is no difficulty.<br>
<br>
Hope this isn't too confusing.<br>
<br>
best regards,<br>
Karl<br>
<br>
On 9/9/10 4:03 AM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:martin.juckes@stfc.ac.uk">martin.juckes@stfc.ac.uk</a> wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Hello
Karl,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Sorry
to raise another DRS issue – but following the last telco
I’ve been
looking at the experiment setup in more detail in order to
write some code
which will identify the “requested” data. Charlotte has
also shared
with me some METAFOR discussions which, I think, concluded
that a coupled model
which is run in atmosphere only mode will do so under the
same name. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Thus,
we may have data from model=ACCESS, expt=amip for both
coupled and
atmosphere-only modes. As far as I can see, the only way
these can be separated
in the DRS is by treating the atmosphere only version as a
physics
perturbation. Would you agree with this interpretation, or
have I missed
something?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">If
this is the case, I think we should add a sentence or two
to explain this usage
in the DRS document,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Martin<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a>] <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">On
Behalf Of </span></b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk">stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
09 September 2010 11:24<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:taylor13@llnl.gov">taylor13@llnl.gov</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:go-essp-tech@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech@ucar.edu</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Go-essp-tech] ESGF
Telco today 2010/09/07<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color: blue;">Hi
Karl,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color: blue;">I
agree we don't have time
to discuss this further. If you can send Martin and I
the editable
version of the DRS document we will incorporate the
changes necessary and feed
it back to you to publish. I think any further
discussion needs to be
done on a document that brings together all the issues.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color: blue;">Incidentally,
there is a
distinction between "variable_table" and
"variable/table". The former implies a single DRS
component
with 2 parts and the second is 2 separate DRS
components. The DRS
document at the moment implies the former *in some
circumstances*. Looks
like we are settled on 2 components.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color: blue;">I
also want the DRS
document to reflect the various different encodings of
DRS components.
There are several and many omit several components:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color: blue;"> 1.
NetCDF filename
created by CMOR</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
blue;"> 2. NetCDF attributes
created by CMOR<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color: blue;"> 3.
DRS directory
structure<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color: blue;"> 4.
THREDDS
publication-level dataset_id<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color: blue;"> 5.
TDS URLs</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
blue;">Stephen.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";">Stephen
Pascoe +44 (0)1235
445980</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";">British
Atmospheric Data Centre</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";">Rutherford
Appleton Laboratory</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";
font-weight: bold;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font
face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-US">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a>] <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Karl
Taylor<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> 08
September 2010 20:20<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:go-essp-tech@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech@ucar.edu</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Go-essp-tech] ESGF
Telco today 2010/09/07</span></font><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Dear all,<br>
<br>
We probably shouldn't spend any more time on this.
Either proposed
solution seems to solve the probelm, so maybe we go with
"group
think", unless someone can point out some practical
implication that that
choice will make more work for someone (especially the
users of the archive).<br>
<br>
best regards,<br>
Karl<br>
<br>
On 9/8/10 10:34 AM, Gavin M. Bell wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font
color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Suggestion....<br>
<br>
Hi Stephen, <br>
<br>
Can you please make the second to last token, namely:
<variable>_<table>, be like the other tokens
in the taxonomy.
Specifically make it <variable>/<table>.
When parsing this,
it makes it a bit difficult to look for this new
delimiter. It
complicates things a bit. Does it also mean that "_"
are not
allowed as a character in any of the other bits of the
taxonomy. The
regex becomes a real pain and "regular" parsing is even
worse.
It would make everything quite a bit simpler if it was
like the others. i.e.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">cmip5/<product>/<institution>/<model>/<experiment>/<frequency>/<realm>/<ensemble>/<version>/<variable>/<table>/<file><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Furthermore,
is this structure saying that we are
always going to be using "cmip5" as the root of this
taxonomy?<br>
<br>
Please let me know your thoughts. If you can
accommodate this it would be
great!<br>
<br>
On 9/7/10 3:17 AM, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk">stephen.pascoe@stfc.ac.uk</a>
wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";">Today we
plan to discuss the DRS
directory structure and prerequisites for starting
replication tests between
DKRZ and BADC. I am putting together an agenda at
the link below, it's
still evolving but comments welcome. Telephone
details are also below.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";">Thanks,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";">Stephen</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><b><font color="black"
face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";">Agenda:
</span></font></b></strong><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://***proj.badc.rl.ac.uk/go-essp/wiki/CMIP5/Meetings/telco100907">http://***proj.badc.rl.ac.uk/go-essp/wiki/CMIP5/Meetings/telco100907</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><b><font color="black"
face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";">Telco
details:</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";">16:00 BST,
17:00 CEST, 8:00 PDT, 9:00 MDT,
11:00 EDT.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";">+01 (925)
424-8105 access code 305757#</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";">---</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";">Stephen
Pascoe +44 (0)1235
445980</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";">British
Atmospheric Data Centre</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";">Rutherford
Appleton Laboratory</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">--
<br>
Scanned by iCritical. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">-- <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Gavin M. Bell<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Lawrence Livermore National Labs<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">--<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> "Never mistake a clear view for a short distance."<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> -Paul Saffo<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> A796 CE39 9C31 68A4 52A7 1F6B 66B7 B250 21D5 6D3E<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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