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Indeed, <br>
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Not the same thing. Polysemy lurks.<br>
Thanks for bringing this to light.<br>
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On 9/2/10 6:05 AM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:martin.juckes@stfc.ac.uk">martin.juckes@stfc.ac.uk</a> wrote:
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73, 125);">Hello Gavin,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">I’m probably missing something, but there
appears to be
some divergence between the ESGF you describe (also on
esgf.org?) and the ESG
Federation described on the PCMDI CMIP5 site (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://*cmip-pcmdi.llnl.gov/cmip5/submit.html?submenuheader=3&reason=0">http://*cmip-pcmdi.llnl.gov/cmip5/submit.html?submenuheader=3&reason=0</a>)
as standing up data nodes and gateways,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu">mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu</a>] <b><span
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Behalf Of </span></b>Gavin M. Bell<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
11 August 2010 02:47<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
Lawrence, Bryan
(STFC,RAL,SSTD)<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:go-essp-tech@ucar.edu">go-essp-tech@ucar.edu</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Go-essp-tech] ESGF
management tools<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Hello *, <br>
<br>
As a member of the ESGF committee, and primary architect
of the current
infrastructure, I thank you for the recommendation. At
the moment ESGF is
a nascent, cooperative, open-source effort that is
currently overseen by the
members of the ESGF committee. Thus, it seems
appropriate that this idea be
something to address to the ESGF committee as a whole
for further
discussion. The ESGF committee is the managing level
organization for
ESGF and therefore we need to ensure that the committee
is fully involved in
any decision process regarding federation level
activities.<br>
<br>
One thing I can suggest would be sending an email to the
committee mailing
list, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:esgf-committee@lists.llnl.gov">esgf-committee@lists.llnl.gov</a>,
and
the committee will convene and explore this suggestion
more thoroughly.<br>
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As stated in the original email; this will not preclude
individuals from
personally using whatever mechanisms they need to
maximize their own
efficiency, however, the ESGF committee has been created
to address management
level decisions such as the recommendation that has been
made. <br>
<br>
As a point of information. ESG and ESGF are not the
same things and thus
are not managed in the same way. ESG is the current
infrastructure that
we are standing up (data nodes and gateways), while ESGF
is an open source, community-involved
evolution of technology, tools and technologists to
provide the necessary
future infrastructure to support the scientific
community. <br>
<br>
Thanks again.<br>
<br>
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On 8/9/10 7:01 AM, Bryan Lawrence wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Hi Folks<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">We also talked a fair bit about management tooling at NCAR and NOAA, <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">recognising that we need to do something to help manage our <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">collaborative efforts ...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">We've discussed the general principles before, but we were discussing <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">the benefits of trac, jira, etc ... and while we appreciate that at the <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">GFDL meeting there was a desire to use trac, some issues are know with <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">trac - not least that it's difficult to manage multiple sub-projects from <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">one trac instance. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">It is important to note that we are *NOT* implying that individual <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">groups will need to migrate to whatever we use. This is for federation <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">level activities, and it's likely that individual subprojects which are <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">already integrated into local management wont change.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">The overriding criteria for whatever we used is that it has to be free <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">and scalable, wth open administration (remote users can administer it <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">easily).<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Desirable characteristics included the ability to have a ticket <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">heirarchy, and multiple subprojects and milestones.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Sylvia and Stephan have looked into redmine, and are recommending it for <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">the ESGF level management. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">We'll look into that in the NH autumn.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Bryan<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">over and out ...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">-- <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Gavin M. Bell<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Lawrence Livermore National Labs<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> "Never mistake a clear view for a short distance."<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> -Paul Saffo<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">(GPG Key - <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://*rainbow.llnl.gov/dist/keys/gavin.asc">http://*rainbow.llnl.gov/dist/keys/gavin.asc</a>)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> A796 CE39 9C31 68A4 52A7 1F6B 66B7 B250 21D5 6D3E<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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Lawrence Livermore National Labs
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