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color:#1F497D'>Hello Gavin,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:#1F497D'>I’m probably missing something, but there appears to be
some divergence between the ESGF you describe (also on esgf.org?) and the ESG
Federation described on the PCMDI CMIP5 site (<a
href="http://cmip-pcmdi.llnl.gov/cmip5/submit.html?submenuheader=3&reason=0">http://cmip-pcmdi.llnl.gov/cmip5/submit.html?submenuheader=3&reason=0</a>)
as standing up data nodes and gateways,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Martin<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'> go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu
[mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Gavin M. Bell<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 11 August 2010 02:47<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Lawrence, Bryan
(STFC,RAL,SSTD)<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> go-essp-tech@ucar.edu<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Go-essp-tech] ESGF
management tools<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hello *, <br>
<br>
As a member of the ESGF committee, and primary architect of the current
infrastructure, I thank you for the recommendation. At the moment ESGF is
a nascent, cooperative, open-source effort that is currently overseen by the
members of the ESGF committee. Thus, it seems appropriate that this idea be
something to address to the ESGF committee as a whole for further
discussion. The ESGF committee is the managing level organization for
ESGF and therefore we need to ensure that the committee is fully involved in
any decision process regarding federation level activities.<br>
<br>
One thing I can suggest would be sending an email to the committee mailing
list, <a href="mailto:esgf-committee@lists.llnl.gov">esgf-committee@lists.llnl.gov</a>,
and the committee will convene and explore this suggestion more thoroughly.<br>
<br>
As stated in the original email; this will not preclude individuals from
personally using whatever mechanisms they need to maximize their own
efficiency, however, the ESGF committee has been created to address management
level decisions such as the recommendation that has been made. <br>
<br>
As a point of information. ESG and ESGF are not the same things and thus
are not managed in the same way. ESG is the current infrastructure that
we are standing up (data nodes and gateways), while ESGF is an open source, community-involved
evolution of technology, tools and technologists to provide the necessary
future infrastructure to support the scientific community. <br>
<br>
Thanks again.<br>
<br>
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On 8/9/10 7:01 AM, Bryan Lawrence wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hi Folks<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>We also talked a fair bit about management tooling at NCAR and NOAA, <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>recognising that we need to do something to help manage our <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>collaborative efforts ...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>We've discussed the general principles before, but we were discussing <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the benefits of trac, jira, etc ... and while we appreciate that at the <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>GFDL meeting there was a desire to use trac, some issues are know with <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>trac - not least that it's difficult to manage multiple sub-projects from <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>one trac instance. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>It is important to note that we are *NOT* implying that individual <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>groups will need to migrate to whatever we use. This is for federation <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>level activities, and it's likely that individual subprojects which are <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>already integrated into local management wont change.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The overriding criteria for whatever we used is that it has to be free <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>and scalable, wth open administration (remote users can administer it <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>easily).<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Desirable characteristics included the ability to have a ticket <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>heirarchy, and multiple subprojects and milestones.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sylvia and Stephan have looked into redmine, and are recommending it for <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the ESGF level management. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>We'll look into that in the NH autumn.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Bryan<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>over and out ...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Gavin M. Bell<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Lawrence Livermore National Labs<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>--<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> "Never mistake a clear view for a short distance."<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> -Paul Saffo<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>(GPG Key - <a
href="http://rainbow.llnl.gov/dist/keys/gavin.asc">http://rainbow.llnl.gov/dist/keys/gavin.asc</a>)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> A796 CE39 9C31 68A4 52A7 1F6B 66B7 B250 21D5 6D3E<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></div>
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