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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>On
another slightly philosophical note, would it be possible to relax the
requirement that files be kept as CMOR2 compliant netcdf to a requirement that
the archive will deliver all data as CMOR2 compliant netcdf?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There
is a real use case here: a modelling centre (DKRZ) will produce a significant
volume of GRIB data from CMIP5 runs for use as regional model forcing by
themselves and national collaborators and don’t have funding for
additional disk space to store a netcdf copy. There is an additional complication
that variables they want to distribute go significantly beyond what was
included in the CMIP5 request, so some may not be recognised by CMOR2.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There
may, of course, be many technical and resource reasons for not wanting to this
in the next two years, but in the longer term, is there any reason why <a
href="http://%3cdomain%3e/%3cpath%3e.nc">http://<domain>/<path>.nc</a>
should not resolve to a dynamically generated netcdf file?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Martin
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'> go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu
[mailto:go-essp-tech-bounces@ucar.edu] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Steve Hankin<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 21 April 2010 22:22<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> asim@lbl.gov<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> GO-ESSP<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Go-essp-tech]
BioTorrents<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>2 philosophical cents (well, really a rant, I'll
admit):<br>
<br>
A remarkable number of the best, easiest, and most powerful ideas are pushed
off of our table by a perceived requirement that access to data be
restricted. Elements of this are inevitable. Still I believe
that we should find much better ways as a data technology community (including
our own ESG project) to allow the superior technology options that become
available through open access to shine. <br>
<br>
At the org-chart level there is a broken system of checks-and-balances.
The requirements for restricted access are imposed down the line in the org
chart, without any mechanism for push-back -- for explaining to those who
impose the restrictions what unintended price is being paid by doing so.
While the org chart relationships tie our hands, the Web as a visible showcase
for good ideas can provide the missing force of balance. We are seeing
just this as we weigh BioTorrents against our own solutions. <br>
<br>
I wonder if we shouldn't be promoting the (superior) technologies that become
available with open access in parallel with the (costly and permanently slower
to evolve) secure federated approaches. Clearly access-restricted
datasets could not be hosted on the open systems. But that absence would
be precisely the loss that makes the technology cost of restricted access
visible. Building dual-access systems would be an imperfect
solution to an imperfect social equation. But it would allow us to
contribute to long-term improvements in dysfunctional policies at the same time
that we explore (fun) new technologies.<br>
<br>
- Steve<br>
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Alex Sim wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>If we can resolve authorization aspects on the datasets with torrents,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>we can probably support torrents technology in the future. all data<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>access is open in this torrents and most others too.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-- Alex<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On 4/20/10 8:40 AM, V. Balaji wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><font size=2
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0010071">http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0010071</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>It's a great pity we aren't using torrent technology in our field...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>GO-ESSP-TECH mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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href="mailto:GO-ESSP-TECH@ucar.edu">GO-ESSP-TECH@ucar.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="http://mailman.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/go-essp-tech">http://mailman.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/go-essp-tech</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Steve Hankin, NOAA/PMEL -- <a
href="mailto:Steven.C.Hankin@noaa.gov">Steven.C.Hankin@noaa.gov</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>7600 Sand Point Way NE, Seattle, WA 98115-0070<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>ph. (206) 526-6080, FAX (206) 526-6744<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></div>
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