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Hi,<br>
<br>
We're homing in on it. Now all that's left, as Balaji says, is at the
"nitpicky level". We owe Eric a big round of applause and the first
annual GOESSP "above and beyond" award for patiently responding to our
suggestions.<br>
<br>
I've placed my reactions to this latest round in a little web page at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tmap.pmel.noaa.gov/~rhs/ESP/">http://tmap.pmel.noaa.gov/~rhs/ESP/</a>. (Summary: I like esp12.jpg, but
miss the hyphen). Please do not confuse my somewhat tongue in check
response on the web page for a lack of gratitude. Eric has designed a
professional looking logo for us and I certainly appreciate it.
Unfortunately, groups seem to have a way of exhausting folks with
talent that volunteer. Wouldn't it be nice if we could just...<br>
<br>
Roland<br>
<br>
Eric Marshall wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid754e23f32e963c6e.2e963c6e754e23f3@gfdl.noaa.gov">
<pre wrap="">I tried your suggestion of an oval border and it didn't work for me. So I tried a rectrangle
(which is slightly better). At the risk of creating more work for me, do people have favorite
colors or fonts?
The following email will have this round of participant images attached.
Let me know what ya' think.
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Lawrence <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:b.n.lawrence@rl.ac.uk"><b.n.lawrence@rl.ac.uk></a>
Date: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:30 am
Subject: [ESP] ESP Logo
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Fabulous.
OK, so now I'm embarassed (again ... :-) ... at least I'm used to
it :-)
In Roland's original I saw the hands in the computer screen as an
(electric)
torch, shining light on the scene, which I thought was a nice
concept.
However, now I recognise what it is (hands), I like that even
better ... so,
I very much like Roland's versions of Eric's which has the best of
both ...
(ie the ones in the email where Roland points out I'm off in the
weeds about
torches).
I agree with Balaji, getting the extra S in there will be a *very*
good thing.
So, can we have GO-ESSP in both of the versions (main+participant)
Roland just
sent around, and then finally, either change the font or simply put
a border
(oval?) around it so it can sit on any colour background naturally.
Thanks guys, and sorry for sounding so demanding ... if I could do
it myself,
I would ... (and sorry Eric for the red herring about the torch ...)
Cheers
Bryan
On Thursday 17 June 2004 20:57, Eric Marshall wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">I like all the logos, but especially Roland's number three ... I
like the idea
of having a logo which makes clear *why* the logo appears ... with
a bigger
background one that it could link to so whatever we do, can we
please keep
that concept?
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">It is always easier to create a banner from a smaller
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">square/circle than
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">the other way around. So once we find some
(To Roland's point about Coke-a-cola, it took them fifty years to
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">figure> out how to work with their material.)
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Is there any chance of having the globe coming out of the torch?
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">Yes, but you'll have to be a little clearer as to how the globe
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</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">'comes out'
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<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">of the torch.
I've attached a image with a torch thrown in.
One other point to think about: the more gobbledygook stuffed in
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<pre wrap="">an image,
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">the less identifiable the image becomes when reduced (e.g. when a
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</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">web page
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<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">is printed or an image is taken from a web site and dumped into a
PowerPoint page.)
Eric W. Marshall
609 452-6673
Raytheon on-site at:
Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory
P O Box 308 Princeton NJ 08542
The opinions expressed in this message are my own and do not
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">necessarily> reflect those of the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics
Laboratory, Raytheon,
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
the International House of Pancakes nor the U. S. Department of
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">Commerce.>
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Lawrence <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:b.n.lawrence@rl.ac.uk"><b.n.lawrence@rl.ac.uk></a>
Date: Thursday, June 17, 2004 11:49 am
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: RE: [ESP] Name, goals and logo]
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Hi Folks
Random thoughts ...
I think the energy will pay off :-), it will certainly help us
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">all.> >
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">I like all the logos, but especially Roland's number three ... I
like the idea
of having a logo which makes clear *why* the logo appears ... with
a bigger
background one that it could link to so whatever we do, can we
please keep
that concept?
I like the concept of the torch ...
I like Global Organisation for ESP as a name ...
I like Eric's number one better than his number two ... and I like
the globe
expanding out of the screen ...
Is there any chance of having the globe coming out of the torch?
I don't like anyone's choice of font ... but that's just me ... in
part
because I like to have logos on backgrounds that may be non-white,
but that
can be sorted by having the logo inside a box ...
... only one penny's worth :-) :-)
Bryan
On Thursday 17 June 2004 16:18, Roland Schweitzer wrote:
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Hi,<br>
<br>
There have been some spectacularly successful horizontal logos
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<pre wrap="">(think> of the white Coca-Cola script), but I agree with the
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</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">notion> > that a more
</pre>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">compact logo might be more versatile. I like esp1.jpg. The
metaphor is concise (we can deliver the world to your desktop
computer). I don't care for the metaphor in esp2.jsp (the
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">arrows> > > pointing every which way says to me "we're lost" not
perhaps as was
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">intended "we move data around"). In general, I think Eric's
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">logos are
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">much more professional looking, but I cannot let go of the
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">notion of
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">cooperation exemplified by the shaking hands metaphor as an
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">important part
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">of what the GO-ESP is all about.<br>
<br>
Eric, care to have a go at cluttering up esp1.jpg with some
</pre>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">shaking> > > hands? <span class="moz-smiley-s3"><span> ;-)
</span></span><br>> > > <br>
</pre>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">So as not to feel too guilty about all the energy going into
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</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">this, I
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">keep telling myself companies spend millions on this sort of
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</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">thing.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""><span class="moz-smiley-s6"><span> :-[ </span></span><br>
<br>
Roland<br>
<br>
Eric Marshall wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite=<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mid40D08F40.1070509@noaa.gov">"mid40D08F40.1070509@noaa.gov"</a>><br>
<br>
Regarding issues of color-blindness, take a look at the clever
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<pre wrap="">web page
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<pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://">http://</a>" target="l"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://">http://</a>" target="l"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://">http://</a>"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://">http://</a>
<br>
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">href="<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.vischeck.com/">www.vischeck.com/</a>"
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">target="l"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.vische">www.vische</a>"
</pre>
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</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">target="l"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck/vischeckImage.php">http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck/vischeckImage.php</a>"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.vische">www.vische</a>>
ck.com/ vischeck/vischeckImage.php ; they transform your image into what
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<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">the
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<pre wrap=""> <br>
color-blind would see. They also have a page to do the same
</pre>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">for web
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">pages.
<br>
<br>
Attached are two logos which are color-blind friendly, less
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<pre wrap="">horizontal> and somewhat different than Roland's.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> <br>
<br>
Eric
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Eric W. Marshall
<br>
609 452-6673
<br>
<br>
Raytheon on-site at:
<br>
Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory
<br>
P O Box
308
Princeton NJ 08542 <br>
<br>
The opinions expressed in this message are my own and do not
necessarily
<br>
reflect those of the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory,
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">Raytheon,> <br>
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
<br>
nor the U. S. Department of Commerce.
<br>
<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----
<br>
From: "K. A. Bouton" >
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">href=<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:k.a.bouton@reading.ac.uk">"mailto:k.a.bouton@reading.ac.uk"</a>><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:k.a.bouton@reading.ac.uk>"><k.a.bouton@reading.ac.uk&gt;></a>> > <br>
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 5:39 am
<br>
Subject: RE: [ESP] Name, goals and logo
<br>
<br>
&gt; Wow - impressed at th espeed with which you got this out!
<br>
&gt;
<br>
&gt; Just a note.
<br>
&gt; Green (then red) is the color most not seen by color-blind
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">people.> <br>
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">&gt; Anyway I
<br>
&gt; remember a big CLIVAR fight over green/red logos...
<br>
&gt;
<br>
&gt; Katherine
<br>
&gt;
<br>
&gt;
<br>
&gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----
<br>
&gt; &gt; From: > href=<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:esp-bounces@ucar.edu">"mailto:esp-bounces@ucar.edu"</a>>esp-
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</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bounces@ucar.edu">bounces@ucar.edu</a> [<a
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<pre wrap="">class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href=<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:esp-bounces@ucar.edu">"mailto:esp-bounces@ucar.edu"</a>><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:esp-bounces@ucar.edu">mailto:esp-bounces@ucar.edu</a>]
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<pre wrap="">On <br>
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">&gt; &gt; Behalf Of Roland Schweitzer
<br>
&gt; &gt; Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 5:09 PM
<br>
&gt; &gt; To: > href=<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:esp@ucar.edu">"mailto:esp@ucar.edu"</a>><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:esp@ucar.edu">esp@ucar.edu</a> <br>
&gt; &gt; Subject: [ESP] Name, goals and logo
<br>
&gt; &gt;
<br>
&gt; &gt;
<br>
&gt; &gt; Hi Folks,
<br>
&gt; &gt;
<br>
&gt; &gt; Rather than wait for the wheels to turn to produce a
<br>
&gt; &gt; brilliant mission
<br>
&gt; &gt; statement with precise goals and a new name I
</pre>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">decided to
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> <br>
&gt; &gt; metaphorically
<br>
&gt; &gt; put pen to paper and create a logo which contains my
suggestion
<br>
&gt; for a
<br>
&gt; &gt; new name for the group. The attached PDF is the
</pre>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">result.> > > <br>
</pre>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">&gt; &gt;
<br>
&gt; &gt; N.B. The logo attempts to symbolized the key
</pre>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">components of
</pre>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> <br>
&gt; &gt; 1) data on
<br>
&gt; &gt; and about the earth (with no specific references to
particular
<br>
&gt; &gt; continents or countries) and 2) cooperation (both via
computer
<br>
&gt; and by
<br>
&gt; &gt; humans) symbolically linked across the logo. The
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">suggested> <br>
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">&gt; &gt; name has the
<br>
&gt; &gt; old name embedded within it, but is different
</pre>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">enough (I
</pre>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">hope)> <br>
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">&gt; &gt; to avoid
<br>
&gt; &gt; confusion with the popular NASA project.
<br>
&gt; &gt;
<br>
&gt; &gt; There are three "logos". One plain, one with a
</pre>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">"tag line"
</pre>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> <br>
&gt; &gt; and one small
<br>
&gt; &gt; "brand" for placing on participant web pages where
appropriate.
<br>
&gt; &gt;
<br>
&gt; &gt; Should in its wisdom (or dare I say lack there of) the
collective
<br>
&gt; &gt; decides to go in a different direction, I will
</pre>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">happily use
</pre>
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<blockquote type="cite">
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<pre wrap=""> <br>
&gt; &gt; what meager
<br>
&gt; &gt; skill I have to create a logo to match the final
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">decision.> > > <br>
</pre>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">&gt; &gt;
<br>
&gt; &gt; Roland
<br>
&gt; &gt;
<br>
&gt;
<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________
<br>
&gt; ESP mailing list
<br>
&gt; > href=<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ESP@ucar.edu">"mailto:ESP@ucar.edu"</a>><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ESP@ucar.edu">ESP@ucar.edu</a> <br>
&gt; > href=<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://mailman.ucar.edu">"http://mailman.ucar.edu"</a>
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<pre wrap="">target="l"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailman.u">http://mailman.u</a>"
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car.edu>/
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<pre wrap="">mailman/listinfo/esp <br>
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<pre wrap="">&gt;
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<pre wrap="">--
Bryan Lawrence, Head NCAS/British Atmospheric Data Centre
Web: badc.nerc.ac.uk Phone: +44 1235 445012
CCLRC: Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Chilton, Didcot, OX11 0QX
_______________________________________________
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<pre wrap=""><!---->
Eric W. Marshall
609 452-6673
Raytheon on-site at:
Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory
P O Box 308 Princeton NJ 08542
The opinions expressed in this message are my own and do not necessarily
reflect those of the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory, Raytheon,
the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
the International House of Pancakes nor the U. S. Department of Commerce.
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<pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ESP@ucar.edu">ESP@ucar.edu</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailman.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/esp">http://mailman.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/esp</a>
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</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">--
Bryan Lawrence, Head NCAS/British Atmospheric Data Centre
Web: badc.nerc.ac.uk Phone: +44 1235 445012
CCLRC: Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Chilton, Didcot, OX11 0QX
_______________________________________________
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