Subject: Re: [ESP] ESP Logo

From: "Eric Marshall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:14:50 -0400

I tried your suggestion of an oval border and it didn't work for me. So I tried a rectrangle 
(which is slightly better). At the risk of creating more work for me, do people have favorite 
colors or fonts?

The following email will have this round of participant images attached. 
Let me know what ya' think.

Eric

----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Lawrence <[email-masked]>
Date: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:30 am
Subject: [ESP] ESP Logo

> 
> Fabulous.
> 
> OK, so now I'm embarassed (again ... :-) ... at least I'm used to 
> it :-)
> 
> In Roland's original I saw the hands in the computer screen as an 
> (electric) 
> torch, shining light on the scene, which I thought was a nice 
> concept. 
> However, now I recognise what it is (hands), I like that even 
> better ... so, 
> I very much like Roland's versions of Eric's which has the best of 
> both ... 
> (ie the ones in the email where Roland points out I'm off in the 
> weeds about 
> torches).
> 
> I agree with Balaji, getting the extra S in there will be a *very* 
> good thing.
> 
> So, can we have GO-ESSP in both of the versions (main+participant) 
> Roland just 
> sent around, and then finally, either change the font or simply put 
> a border 
> (oval?) around it so it can sit on any colour background naturally.
> 
> Thanks guys, and sorry for sounding so demanding ... if I could do 
> it myself, 
> I would ... (and sorry Eric for the red herring about the torch ...)
> 
> Cheers
> Bryan
> 
> On Thursday 17 June 2004 20:57, Eric Marshall wrote:
> > > I like all the logos, but especially Roland's number three ... I
> > > like the idea
> > > of having a logo which makes clear *why* the logo appears ... with
> > > a bigger
> > > background one that it could link to so whatever we do, can we
> > > please keep
> > > that concept?
> >
> > It is always easier to create a banner from a smaller 
> square/circle than
> > the other way around. So once we find some
> >
> > (To Roland's point about Coke-a-cola, it took them fifty years to 
> figure> out how to work with their material.)
> >
> > > Is there any chance of having the globe coming out of the torch?
> >
> > Yes, but you'll have to be a little clearer as to how the globe 
> 'comes out'
> > of the torch.
> >
> > I've attached a image with a torch thrown in.
> >
> > One other point to think about: the more gobbledygook stuffed in 
> an image,
> > the less identifiable the image becomes when reduced (e.g. when a 
> web page
> > is printed or an image is taken from a web site and dumped into a
> > PowerPoint page.)
> >
> > Eric W. Marshall
> > 609 452-6673
> >
> > Raytheon on-site at:
> > Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory
> > P O Box 308              Princeton NJ 08542
> >
> > The opinions expressed in this message are my own and do not 
> necessarily> reflect those of the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics 
> Laboratory, Raytheon,
> > the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
> > the International House of Pancakes nor the U. S. Department of 
> Commerce.>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bryan Lawrence <[email-masked]>
> > Date: Thursday, June 17, 2004 11:49 am
> > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: RE: [ESP] Name, goals and logo]
> >
> > > Hi Folks
> > >
> > > Random thoughts ...
> > >
> > > I think the energy will pay off :-), it will certainly help us 
> all.> >
> > > I like all the logos, but especially Roland's number three ... I
> > > like the idea
> > > of having a logo which makes clear *why* the logo appears ... with
> > > a bigger
> > > background one that it could link to so whatever we do, can we
> > > please keep
> > > that concept?
> > >
> > > I like the concept of the torch ...
> > >
> > > I like Global Organisation for ESP as a name ...
> > >
> > > I like Eric's number one better than his number two ... and I like
> > > the globe
> > > expanding out of the screen ...
> > >
> > > Is there any chance of having the globe coming out of the torch?
> > >
> > > I don't like anyone's choice of font ... but that's just me ... in
> > > part
> > > because I like to have logos on backgrounds that may be non-white,
> > > but  that
> > > can be sorted by having the logo inside a box ...
> > >
> > > ... only one penny's worth :-) :-)
> > >
> > > Bryan
> > >
> > > On Thursday 17 June 2004 16:18, Roland Schweitzer wrote:
> > > > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
> > > > <html>
> > > > <head>
> > > >
> > > >   <title></title>
> > > > </head>
> > > > <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
> > > > Hi,<br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > There have been some spectacularly successful horizontal logos
> > >
> > > (think> of the white Coca-Cola script), but I agree with the 
> notion> > that a more
> > >
> > > > compact logo might be more versatile.  I like esp1.jpg.  The
> > > > metaphor is concise (we can deliver the world to your desktop
> > > > computer).  I don't care for the metaphor in esp2.jsp (the 
> arrows> > > pointing every which way says to me "we're lost" not 
> perhaps as was
> > > > intended "we move data around").  In general, I think Eric's
> > >
> > > logos are
> > >
> > > > much more professional looking, but I cannot let go of the 
> notion of
> > > > cooperation exemplified by the shaking hands metaphor as an
> > >
> > > important part
> > >
> > > > of what the GO-ESP is all about.<br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > Eric, care to have a go at cluttering up esp1.jpg with some 
> shaking> > > hands?  <span class="moz-smiley-s3"><span> ;-) 
> </span></span><br>> > > <br>
> > > > So as not to feel too guilty about all the energy going into
> > >
> > > this, I
> > >
> > > > keep telling myself companies spend millions on this sort of
> > >
> > > thing.
> > >
> > > > <span class="moz-smiley-s6"><span> :-[ </span></span><br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > Roland<br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > Eric Marshall wrote:<br>
> > > > <blockquote type="cite" cite="[email-masked]"><br>
> > > >   <br>
> > > > Regarding issues of color-blindness, take a look at the clever
> > >
> > > web page
> > >
> > > > http://" target="l">http://" target="l">http://">http://
> > > >   <br>
> > > >
> > > > > href="www.vischeck.com/"
> > >
> > > target="l">www.vische" 
> target="l">http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck/vischeckImage.php">www.vische> 
>ck.com/ vischeck/vischeckImage.php ; they transform your image into what
> > > the
> > >
> > > >   <br>
> > > > color-blind would see. They also have a page to do the same 
> for web
> > > > pages.
> > > >   <br>
> > > >   <br>
> > > > Attached are two logos which are color-blind friendly, less
> > >
> > > horizontal> and somewhat different than Roland's.
> > >
> > > >   <br>
> > > >   <br>
> > > > Eric
> > > >   <br>
> > > >   <br>
> > > >   <br>
> > > >   <br>
> > > > Eric W. Marshall
> > > >   <br>
> > > > 609 452-6673
> > > >   <br>
> > > >   <br>
> > > > Raytheon on-site at:
> > > >   <br>
> > > > Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory
> > > >   <br>
> > > > P O Box
> > > > 308
> > > >  Princeton NJ 08542 <br>
> > > >   <br>
> > > > The opinions expressed in this message are my own and do not
> > > > necessarily
> > > >   <br>
> > > > reflect those of the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory,
> > >
> > > Raytheon,>   <br>
> > >
> > > > the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
> > > >   <br>
> > > > nor the U. S. Department of Commerce.
> > > >   <br>
> > > >   <br>
> > > >   <br>
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >   <br>
> > > > From: "K. A. Bouton" >
> > >
> > > 
> href="mailto:[email-masked]"><[email-masked]&gt;>> > <br>
> > >
> > > > Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 5:39 am
> > > >   <br>
> > > > Subject: RE: [ESP] Name, goals and logo
> > > >   <br>
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; Wow - impressed at th espeed with which you got this out!
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt;
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; Just a note.
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; Green (then red) is the color most not seen by color-blind
> > >
> > > people.>   <br>
> > >
> > > > &gt; Anyway I
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; remember a big CLIVAR fight over green/red logos...
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt;
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; Katherine
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt;
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt;
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; From: > href="mailto:[email-masked]">esp-
> > >
> > > [email-masked] [<a
> > >
> > > > class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
> > > > href="mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]]
> > >
> > > On <br>
> > >
> > > > &gt; &gt; Behalf Of Roland Schweitzer
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 5:09 PM
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; To: > href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked] <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; Subject: [ESP] Name, goals and logo
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt;
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt;
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; Hi Folks,
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt;
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; Rather than wait for the wheels to turn to produce a
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; brilliant mission
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; statement with precise goals and a new name I 
> decided to
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; metaphorically
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; put pen to paper and create a logo which contains my
> > > > suggestion
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; for a
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; new name for the group.  The attached PDF is the 
> result.> > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt;
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; N.B. The logo attempts to symbolized the key 
> components of
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; 1) data on
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; and about the earth (with no specific references to
> > > > particular
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; continents or countries) and 2) cooperation (both via
> > > > computer
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; and by
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; humans) symbolically linked across the logo.  The
> > >
> > > suggested>   <br>
> > >
> > > > &gt; &gt; name has the
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; old name embedded within it, but is different 
> enough (I
> > >
> > > hope)>   <br>
> > >
> > > > &gt; &gt; to avoid
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; confusion with the popular NASA project.
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt;
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; There are three "logos".  One plain, one with a 
> "tag line"
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; and one small
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; "brand" for placing on participant web pages where
> > > > appropriate.
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt;
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; Should in its wisdom (or dare I say lack there of) the
> > > > collective
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; decides to go in a different direction, I will 
> happily use
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; what meager
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; skill I have to create a logo to match the final 
> decision.> > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt;
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt; Roland
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; &gt;
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt;
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; _______________________________________________
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; ESP mailing list
> > > >   <br>
> > > > &gt; > href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked] <br>
> > > > &gt; > href="http://mailman.ucar.edu"
> > >
> > > target="l">http://mailman.u" 
> target="l">http://mailman.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/esp">http://mailman.u> 
>car.edu>/
> >
> > mailman/listinfo/esp <br>
> >
> > > > &gt;
> > > >   <br>
> > > >   <br>
> > > >   <br>
> > > >   <br>
> > > >   <hr width="90%" size="4"><br>
> > > >   <center><img 
> src="cid:[email-masked]"></center>> > >   <p><br>
> > > >   </p>
> > > >   <hr width="90%" size="4"><br>
> > > >   <center><img 
> src="cid:[email-masked]"></center>> > > 
> </blockquote>> > > </body>
> > > > </html>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bryan Lawrence,        Head NCAS/British Atmospheric Data Centre
> > > Web: badc.nerc.ac.uk                      Phone: +44 1235 445012
> > > CCLRC: Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Chilton, Didcot, OX11 0QX
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ESP mailing list

Eric W. Marshall
609 452-6673
 
Raytheon on-site at:
Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory
P O Box 308              Princeton NJ 08542

The opinions expressed in this message are my own and do not necessarily
reflect those of the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory, Raytheon,
the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
the International House of Pancakes nor the U. S. Department of Commerce.

> > > [email-masked]
> > > http://mailman.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/esp
> 
> -- 
> Bryan Lawrence,        Head NCAS/British Atmospheric Data Centre
> Web: badc.nerc.ac.uk                      Phone: +44 1235 445012
> CCLRC: Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Chilton, Didcot, OX11 0QX
> _______________________________________________
> ESP mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://mailman.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/esp
>

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From: "V. Balaji" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:42:06 -0400 (EDT)

> Let me know what ya' think.

Ok, at this point my comments are at a nitpicky level. Overall it looks
great. The new Nike. All we're missing are the sweatshops.

I liked esp11 the best. Didn't like the font on esp12. The hyphen is
off-center and slightly below on esp10/11, does that look ok to you?
I'm guessing that's to accommodate the fat part of the O.

Colours: shouldn't there be some earth tones somewhere, to highlight the
E in ESSP? a dark green that deuteranopics see as brown might work.
-- 

V. Balaji                               Office:  +1-609-452-6516
Head, Modeling Systems Group, GFDL      Home:    +1-212-253-6662
Princeton University                    Email: [email-masked]

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From: Roland Schweitzer <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:15:44 -0500

Hi,

We're homing in on it.  Now all that's left, as Balaji says, is at the
"nitpicky level".  We owe Eric a big round of applause and the first
annual GOESSP "above and beyond" award for patiently responding to our
suggestions.

I've placed my reactions to this latest round in a little web page at
http://tmap.pmel.noaa.gov/~rhs/ESP/.  (Summary: I like esp12.jpg, but
miss the hyphen).  Please do not confuse my somewhat tongue in check
response on the web page for a lack of gratitude.  Eric has designed a
professional looking logo for us and I certainly appreciate it.
Unfortunately, groups seem to have a way of exhausting folks with
talent that volunteer.  Wouldn't it be nice if we could just...

Roland

Eric Marshall wrote:

Eric

----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Lawrence <[email-masked]>
Date: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:30 am
Subject: [ESP] ESP Logo

Fabulous.

Cheers
Bryan

square/circle than

'comes out'

of the torch.

an image,

web page

Eric W. Marshall
609 452-6673

Raytheon on-site at:

Commerce.>

----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Lawrence <[email-masked]>
Date: Thursday, June 17, 2004 11:49 am
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: RE: [ESP] Name, goals and logo]

Hi Folks

Random thoughts ...

all.> >

Bryan

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Eric W. Marshall
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609 452-6673
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Raytheon on-site at:
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----- Original Message -----
<br>
From: "K. A. Bouton" >

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Eric W. Marshall
609 452-6673

Raytheon on-site at:

[email-masked]

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From: "K. A. Bouton" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:59:40 +0100

I agree that a logo with a background that can be made transparent (ie one
color that can be 'picked' by a graphics program and made transparent', or
"dithered edge" is a good idea. Two versions maybe - a tranparent one Though
I appreciate the history involved in the hyphen - oneword does look more
ummmmmm "professional"?
 
Anyway attached is a transparent goesp as an idea. Don't know what font was
used
 
Who came up with this artwork anyway - I really like the globe reflected on
the screen behind the hands.
 
K

-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Roland
Schweitzer
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 11:16 PM
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ESP] ESP Logo

Hi,

We're homing in on it.  Now all that's left, as Balaji says, is at the
"nitpicky level".  We owe Eric a big round of applause and the first annual
GOESSP "above and beyond" award for patiently responding to our suggestions.

I've placed my reactions to this latest round in a little web page at
http://tmap.pmel.noaa.gov/~rhs/ESP/.  (Summary: I like esp12.jpg, but miss
the hyphen).  Please do not confuse my somewhat tongue in check response on
the web page for a lack of gratitude.  Eric has designed a professional
looking logo for us and I certainly appreciate it. Unfortunately, groups
seem to have a way of exhausting folks with talent that volunteer.  Wouldn't
it be nice if we could just...

Roland

Eric Marshall wrote:

I tried your suggestion of an oval border and it didn't work for me. So I
tried a rectrangle 

(which is slightly better). At the risk of creating more work for me, do
people have favorite 

colors or fonts?

Eric

----- Original Message -----

From: Bryan Lawrence  <mailto:[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>

Subject: [ESP] ESP Logo

Fabulous.

it :-)

(electric) 

concept. 

better ... so, 

both ... 

weeds about 

torches).

good thing.

Roland just 

a border 

it myself, 

Cheers

Bryan

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please keep

that concept?

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'comes out'

of the torch.

an image,

web page

PowerPoint page.)

Eric W. Marshall

609 452-6673

Raytheon on-site at:

Laboratory, Raytheon,

Commerce.>

----- Original Message -----

From: Bryan Lawrence  <mailto:[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>

      

Hi Folks

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From: "Eric Marshall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:18:05 -0400

Thanks for throwing this stuff on the web. Regarding your last comment:

"No, really maybe the best thing to do is to create an image with the main graphical 
elements (the globe, the ring, the computer with hands and the text) floating on a 
transparent background, then the background of the web page just shows through (as 
illustrated in the Transparent GIF section of the Yale Style Guide). But even if I wanted 
to take the time, I lack the skill to implement that suggestion.

I wonder what the nice drop shadows would look like in such an image. Whose idea was this 
anyway?"

The drop shadows work with transparent background, BUT for it to look reasonable I need to 
know the background color! (Kind of defeats the purpose.)

But for those who prefer the the logo without a border, I will create an image to work on 
the color of your choice, so Brian would have one to match the banana peel yellow on his 
web for example.

I do realize there may be twenty images to create, but I can do this pretty quick.

Eric

Roland Schweitzer wrote:
> Unfortunately, groups seem to have a way of exhausting folks with talent 
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From: "Eric Marshall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:09:18 -0400

>Two versions maybe - a
 > tranparent one Though I appreciate the history involved in the hyphen -
 > oneword does look more ummmmmm "professional"?

OK, but which one? Once one (or two is picked) I'll throw the hyphen in.

 > Who came up with this artwork anyway.

Roland created the images/metaphors of a globe and the hands across the computer, which 
you may remember from his initial pdf. Coming up with the metaphors is half the battle. 
Thank you, Roland!

 From that I recreated, by hand, my own vectorized versions of those images in Macromedia 
Fireworks (it's a poor man's Adobe Illustrator with a wee bit of Photoshop). After I had 
that, I created everything based on the email discussion.

 > - I really like the globe reflected  on the screen behind the hands.

Roland came up with the very clever idea of the hands, which switched for a globe in the 
computer screen and then Roland thought the hands and the globe would work together. I 
merely thought the globe could be eclipsed by the hands. So again, tag-team with Roland!

Eric

K. A. Bouton wrote:
> I agree that a logo with a background that can be made transparent (ie 
> one color that can be 'picked' by a graphics program and made 
> transparent', or "dithered edge" is a good idea. Two versions maybe - a 
> tranparent one Though I appreciate the history involved in the hyphen - 
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>     We're homing in on it.  Now all that's left, as Balaji says, is at
>     the "nitpicky level".  We owe Eric a big round of applause and the
>     first annual GOESSP "above and beyond" award for patiently
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>     at http://tmap.pmel.noaa.gov/~rhs/ESP/.  (Summary: I like esp12.jpg,
>     but miss the hyphen).  Please do not confuse my somewhat tongue in
>     check response on the web page for a lack of gratitude.  Eric has
>     designed a professional looking logo for us and I certainly
>     appreciate it. Unfortunately, groups seem to have a way of
>     exhausting folks with talent that volunteer.  Wouldn't it be nice if
>     we could just...
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From: Bryan Lawrence <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:43:41 +0100

Hi Folks

Fabulous! Eric, Roland, Katherine ... we're indebted.

My two favourites are on the wiki ... maybe all the candidates could be linked 
to a page from there?

I like the transparent one, and I like the "beige" one (preferred to blue, the 
particpant one at least will have to go onto web sites which already exist 
and blue may cause problems, but it's not that big a deal).  

I have no problem with the hypen, can live with or without it. 

Cheers,
Bryan

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From: Don Middleton <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:25:16 -0600

I'm kinda partial to the GO-ESSP as opposed to GOESSP. I guess you'd 
pronounce the latter "Gossip" which, come to think of it, might 
actually be somewhat relevant ;-)

Speaking of ESSP, do we really need two "S"'s? We've got an Earth 
System Grid, and an Earth System Modeling Framework - why not a Global 
Organization for Earth System Portals? Otherwise, somewhere down the 
road, we'll end up having to add extra "S"'s on all these other 
projects! And we don't want to reprint all those T-shirts, coffee mugs, 
memory sticks, and so forth... (whoops, guess that's the next project)

I also liked 12 (I think I recall the numbering) and also did not care 
for the font on 13. The ability to have a transparent version and 
dithered version is always nice.

Bryan, could you repost the Wiki URL?

Real nice progress.

cheers - don

On Jun 23, 2004, at 7:43 AM, Bryan Lawrence wrote:

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From: "Eric Marshall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:30:55 -0400

>The hyphen is off-center and slightly below on esp10/11, does that look ok to you?
The hyphen is centered, but your eye is thrown off due to the drop shadow.

Once a font is chosen, I will tweak the kerning of the letters but it is not worth the 
work at this stage of the game. That is part of 'polishing' at the end of the process.

 > E in ESSP? a dark green that deuteranopics see as brown might work.

I did try to work in some earth tones but the blue 'ring' that connects the computer and 
the globe looks ugly against warmer colors and if I shift the 'ring' to a warmer color 
then the 'ring' looks like a 'sun'. If I make darker to over the 'sun' thing, it looks 
goofy. There might be something I can do with something green.

Eric

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From: "Brett DiFrischia" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:36:54 -0400

I think we should go for GOEST, as in ghost.  I just don't know what the 
T would stand for...  Technologies was recommended by Eric.

Brett

Don Middleton wrote:

> projects! And we don't want to reprint all those T-shirts, coffee 
> mugs, memory sticks, and so forth... (whoops, guess that's the next 
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