<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Dear all,<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I'm not exactly sure who is blocking progress in the UC system, except for one committee chair, a civil engineer, who is rotating off at the end of August. The statewide UC science deans, including at least two physicists wrote a letter in support of a change in UC's "d" requirement to add Earth and Space Sciences.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Committees act in strange and mysterious ways, sometimes.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Eldridge <BR><DIV><DIV>On Aug 1, 2007, at 8:49 AM, Susan Eriksson wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">All,</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; "> At Virginia Tech, about ten years ago when this came up, it was the physics and chemistry professors who claimed that Earth Science is not a science. It was science faculty who vetoed using Earth Science as a science for admission to VT.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">Susan</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV><BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">----- Original Message -----</SPAN></DIV><DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> </SPAN><A title="moores@geology.ucdavis.edu" href="mailto:moores@geology.ucdavis.edu"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 238); font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline; ">Eldridge Moores</SPAN></A><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "></SPAN></DIV><DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> </SPAN><A title="pmessina@geosun.sjsu.edu" href="mailto:pmessina@geosun.sjsu.edu"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 238); font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline; ">Paula Messina</SPAN></A><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "></SPAN></DIV><DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> </SPAN><A title="metzger@geosun.sjsu.edu" href="mailto:metzger@geosun.sjsu.edu"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 238); font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline; ">Ellen Metzger</SPAN></A><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> ; </SPAN><A title="ceselist@mailman.ucar.edu" href="mailto:ceselist@mailman.ucar.edu"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 238); font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline; ">ceselist@mailman.ucar.edu</SPAN></A><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "></SPAN></DIV><DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:21 AM</SPAN></DIV><DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Re: [CESElist] Earth System Science Certification Program</SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV>Dear Paula et al.,<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Yes, it is true that there is a problem with the UC system and its acceptance of Earth and Space Sciences as a laboratory science for admission.? I've been working on this issue for about 3 years, and it's making slow progress.? For your information, here is a version of the the "talking points" I have sent to various UC Academic Senate committees.? In the UC system, it is the faculty, acting through the Academic Senate, which makes the decisions about admissions requirements.? And the UC system is the basic "carburetor" for the entire State of California.? To change the system in California, one has to change the opinions of the UC faculty.? If you know of any, please let them know!</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Best regards,</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Eldridge?<SPAN></SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><HR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN></SPAN><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jul 31, 2007, at 9:44 PM, Paula Messina wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); "><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); " face="Helvetica" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); ">_______________________________________________</SPAN></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><DIV>Eldridge M. Moores, Ph.D., D.Sc</DIV><DIV>Distinguished Professor Emeritus</DIV><DIV>Vice President, International Union of Geological Sciences</DIV><DIV>Geology Department</DIV><DIV>One Shields Avenue</DIV><DIV>University of California</DIV><DIV>Davis, CA 95616-8605 USA</DIV><DIV>Tel: 1-530-752-0352</DIV><DIV>Email:<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><A href="mailto:moores@geology.ucdavis.edu"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 238); -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline; ">moores@geology.ucdavis.edu</SPAN></A></DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></DIV><BR></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><HR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>Dear Paula et al.,<BR><BR>Yes, it is true that there is a problem with the UC system and its <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><BR>acceptance of Earth and Space Sciences as a laboratory science for <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><BR>admission. I've been working on this issue for about 3 years, and <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><BR>it's making slow progress. For your information, here is a version <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><BR>of the the "talking points" I have sent to various UC Academic Senate <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><BR>committees. In the UC system, it is the faculty, acting through the <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><BR>Academic Senate, which makes the decisions about admissions <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><BR>requirements. And the UC system is the basic "carburetor" for the <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><BR>entire State of California. To change the system in California, one <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><BR>has to change the opinions of the UC faculty. If you know of any, <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><BR>please let them know!<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR><BR>Eldridge <BR>On Jul 31, 2007, at 9:44 PM, Paula Messina wrote:<BR><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR><BR>Eldridge M. Moores, Ph.D., D.Sc<BR>Distinguished Professor Emeritus<BR>Vice President, International Union of Geological Sciences<BR>Geology Department<BR>One Shields Avenue<BR>University of California<BR>Davis, CA 95616-8605 USA<BR>Tel: 1-530-752-0352<BR>Email: <A href="mailto:moores@geology.ucdavis.edu">moores@geology.ucdavis.edu</A><BR><BR><BR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><HR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>CESElist mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:CESElist@mailman.ucar.edu">CESElist@mailman.ucar.edu</A><BR>http://mailman.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/ceselist<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV>Eldridge M. Moores, Ph.D., D.Sc</DIV><DIV>Distinguished Professor Emeritus</DIV><DIV>Vice President, International Union of Geological Sciences</DIV><DIV>Geology Department</DIV><DIV>One Shields Avenue</DIV><DIV>University of California</DIV><DIV>Davis, CA 95616-8605 USA</DIV><DIV>Tel: 1-530-752-0352</DIV><DIV>Email: <A href="mailto:moores@geology.ucdavis.edu">moores@geology.ucdavis.edu</A></DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN> </DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>